new belt fed coming so now rpd????

In the context of the RDP, reproduction belts are not an issue. Anything available would be ComBloc. It would seem that the belt does not qualify based on dating, and the 5 round limit could apply.
 
Originally Posted by tiriaq
Belts can be made anytime. They must be for guns designed '45 or earlier. It has been suggested that the RPD, like the SKS, was prototyped and field tested during the last stages of WW2, but the RCMP do not accept that the RPD belts qualifies for exempt status.
Ammunition belts (metallic or fabric) that are "not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for the purpose of feeding rounds into an automatic firearm of a type that was in existence before 1945." are ok. It is the word "reproduction" that causes issue. Have to be genuine kit, not aftermarket.

How one tells the difference between reproduction and genuine is beyond me.
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Repro belts would be those made by non oem manufacturers, ie companies not either producing the gun or parts for the gun as part of a military contract. The law as written is pretty clear that the belt itself does not have to be made prior to 1945, it must've made for a firearm design that existed prior to 1945. Pretty sure the RCMP is not going to be able to weasel out of this one...
 
Leonidas said:
Repro belts would be those made by non oem manufacturers, ie companies not either producing the gun or parts for the gun as part of a military contract. The law as written is pretty clear that the belt itself does not have to be made prior to 1945, it must've made for a firearm design that existed prior to 1945. Pretty sure the RCMP is not going to be able to weasel out of this one...
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I have email correspondence with William Etter, Chief Firearms Technologist in Ottawa and when it comes to any belt fed the links and belts used to load more than 5 rounds can not be reproductions. They must be original links or belts. With regards to the 1919 the fabric belts are actually dated and you must use pre 1945 manufactured belts. As for the links well good luck telling the date. Some have proof marks stamped on them but to this date I can't find any info on the proof marks.
 
Not sure that any "reproduction" belts even exist for the RPD... Remember the law does not state that the belt must predate 1945. In any case the onus would be on the RCMP to show that the belt was a reproduction.
 
Leonidas said:
Not sure that any "reproduction" belts even exist for the RPD... Remember the law does not state that the belt must predate 1945. In any case the onus would be on the RCMP to show that the belt was a reproduction.
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As I just said a few posts back the CFO Firearms Technologist in the firearms lab in Ottawa that makes decisions regarding firearms says the belts must be date pre 1945. Every original fabric belt I've seen is dated. Links are another story. You wanna argue with the big dog popo in Ottawa about it when you get hauled into court be my guest. The RCMP doesn't have to prove your guilty, its on you to prove your innocent. That's why I carry the letter with me stating the legalities of running a 250 round belt as per the CFO Technologist in Ottawa.
 
tiriaq said:
Belts can be made anytime. They must be for guns designed '45 or earlier. It has been suggested that the RPD, like the SKS, was prototyped and field tested during the last stages of WW2, but the RCMP do not accept that the RPD belts qualifies for exempt status.
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Who comes up with such stupid laws???? f:P:
 
CFO Firearms Technologist in the firearms lab in Ottawa that makes decisions regarding firearms
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They can advise the crown on their interpretation but they can't re-write the law. In this case there is not any real ambiguity in the law IMHO.

The RCMP doesn't have to prove your guilty, its on you to prove your innocent
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As a matter of fact they do and it would have to be proof beyond a reasonable doubt, which is a very high threshold.


If and when the semi RPDs are approved, and assuming the RCMP decides to continue with this frankly silly interpretation of a pretty clear part of the statute, I will happily challenge them pro bono...
 
Leonidas said:
As a matter of fact they do and it would have to be proof beyond a reasonable doubt, which is a very high threshold.

If and when the semi RPDs are approved, and assuming the RCMP decides to continue with this frankly silly interpretation of a pretty clear part of the statute, I will happily challenge them pro bono...
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Lawyers who shoot from the hip are, well, awesome. Haha
 
I read on another rpd thread the following: "a belt fed machine gun designed to fill the need for a role for a SAW style weapon". Under this reasoning the RCMP prohibited them, my question is where in the FA does it say belt feds are prohibited? This seems like something the RCMP just made up one day.
 
jonythebeast said:
I read on another rpd thread the following: "a belt fed machine gun designed to fill the need for a role for a SAW style weapon". Under this reasoning the RCMP prohibited them, my question is where in the FA does it say belt feds are prohibited? This seems like something the RCMP just made up one day.
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There isn't anything. You assume the belt fed issue is the reason.

Firearms, specifically rifles, can only get banned for specific reasons by the RCMP...

1 full auto or easily converted to full auto

2 guns originally manufactured as full auto converted to full auto

3 guns that are a variant of a rifle that where named prohibited by the firearms act through an order in council

That is how the law is written. The law is poorly written throughout, hence the classifications are difficult to understand. As the law is not logical, the classifications appear not to be logical, but they do follow the pattern as dictated by the law.
 
fenceline said:
There isn't anything. You assume the belt fed issue is the reason.

Firearms, specifically rifles, can only get banned for specific reasons by the RCMP...

1 full auto or easily converted to full auto

2 guns originally manufactured as full auto converted to full auto

3 guns that are a variant of a rifle that where named prohibited by the firearms act through an order in council

That is how the law is written. The law is poorly written throughout, hence the classifications are difficult to understand. As the law is not logical, the classifications appear not to be logical, but they do follow the pattern as dictated by the law.
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You can convert most rilfes into machine guns if you know how it works. Now making it work well as one that's a whole another ball game. You just slam fire so what's that a firing pin stuck forward well some glue or a weld can do that there easy to convert done every semi auto is easy to convert that way 1 weld or some glue pull the bolt back and let you it will keep firing till it jams or the magazine is empty. so... ya... It's silly...
 
haha49 said:
You can convert most rilfes into machine guns if you know how it works. Now making it work well as one that's a whole another ball game. You just slam fire so what's that a firing pin stuck forward well some glue or a weld can do that there easy to convert done every semi auto is easy to convert that way 1 weld or some glue pull the bolt back and let you it will keep firing till it jams or the magazine is empty. so... ya... It's silly...
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Did I not just say the law wasn't based on logic?
 
haha49 said:
You can convert most rilfes into machine guns if you know how it works. Now making it work well as one that's a whole another ball game. You just slam fire so what's that a firing pin stuck forward well some glue or a weld can do that there easy to convert done every semi auto is easy to convert that way 1 weld or some glue pull the bolt back and let you it will keep firing till it jams or the magazine is empty. so... ya... It's silly...
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Buy the way STFU or all semi's will be prohibited next.
 
An intentional malfunction is hardly true full auto fire, you would be lucky not to have the gun blow up from firing out of battery. I wouldn't worry too much, I worked in the lab and not even the RCMP techs are that stupid.
 
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