New CSC Service Pistol
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Apparently,...the new P30-L which is "due out"this september is supposed have a longer paddle mag release,..similiar to the Walther. Less "chicklet like"
Yah, I think that is a step in the right direction. The metal mag bodies on the P2000 are a good idea, primarily because I think it helps get the overall "girth" of the grip down. My feeling on the P2000 right now though, is that when you push that "chicklet" thing down it scrapes metal across metal until the mag drops. It feels stiff to me. I think making it more like the Walther P99 would make it both easier to use and also provide more options to the shooter - not just-right handed and left-handed, but right handers who prefer the trigger finger, right handers who prefer using their thumb, etc.
It might be too much to ask, but they keep refining the basic USP idea down further and further, and the guns are getting better as time goes on.
Edit: I just went and looked at the HK webpage, and yes you are right Mo. The P30's and the HK45's have a paddle which is more like what Walther has - whereas the USP and P2000 are using (what I seem to have dubbed) "the chicket" - a little thing that looks like a rounded off triangle-shaped button that you push down.
They have the HK45 at my local shop, so next time I go int here I will take another look at it and think about that issue of whether the mag release is better.
Don't get me wrong here guys, the P2000 mag release works fine, and the gun is a perfectly workable platform. Once people get used to them they won't even think about this issue. I just think it is one area that could be refined a little bit in future generations, and it looks like I am not the only one that thinks that - as HK has changed it for the newest generation of guns. It wouldn't surprise me if they switch the P2000's over to that system in the coming years as well.
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supersenior
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Hk P2000
Now that CSC has a duty pistol what is the official issued holster for the HK P2000?
Now that CSC has a duty pistol what is the official issued holster for the HK P2000?
CBSA seems to have issued a Safariland 6004-type holster.
http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/...order_sidearms_070727?hub=BritishColumbiaHome
I would expect CSC to do the same, or issue something very similar.
From what I have been told, and this is just hear say, it will be a safariland level 2+, the CSC felt that Officers would have to hard of time using the triple retention holsters. Not sure how they came to that conclusion, I'm just glad we are getting new guns and that they did not cheap out. My question now is how long until the RCMP make the move to H&K.
Part of me hopes it's a triple retention but knowing the ammount of training we get and the fact the holsters will be put in use without being properly broken in (Safariland requires the gun be holstered and drawn numerous times before being used on duty)..part of me hopes it's a dual retention like we have now.
That should read..CSC isn't going to pay the overtime to properly train officers to draw from a triple retention holster.
I participated in some training with our local PD when they transitioned from revolvers to Sigs and they spent hours drawing the pistol from the holster.
Like I mentioned..Safariland recommends that officers practice drawing from the holster before using it on duty to break the holster in and to reduce the time it takes to draw the weapon.
ETA..I just checked the instructions for a Safariland SSIII holster I have.
In bold font it states Caution: Prior to wearing the holster on duty, the user must accomplish draw from fully snapped and secured holster in under two seconds while under simulated stress or life threatening situation. To accomplish this, have a partner time you from surprise command to completed draw.
It also states
A handgun seated in a new holster will fit more tightly then after a reasonable break in period has occured. Thus the holster should not be used with a loaded ahndgun or on duty until the under two second drawing standard indicated above is accomplished by the user.
It also states
It is important to draw the handgun from various body and hand positions at least 100 times before using on duty. You may need to do this more times if the process feels unnatural or not smooth
It's stressed throught the instructions to practice regularly.
So..there is "the problem officers might have".
Work won't pay the o/t needed for us to train officers properly on the holster which is the "industry standard" in law enforcement.
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CBSA has the 6365 ALS.
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you gotta at least consider the glock as well...sounds like a great selection process.
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Now we will see if CSC will invest in proper duty belts and that everyone who carries will get the holster screwed to a gun belt as it should be. I doubt it they hate to spend money on us. Also now that we will have new secure holsters i would hope that at least 2 Officers are armed instead of the usual 1 Officer. Everyone else does it that way, its time we stepped out of the stone age. Along with making huge changes to our current course of fire which is a joke. And yes the RCMP should convert over to H&K because their S&W is in my humble opinion is lackluster at best. I was rooting for the H&K or SIG.
It was..as was the P226 unless things changed greatly from the last info I received.
Put em in a wheelchair, stand behind them with your strong side facing the corner..
This is taken from the firearms testing report from Aug 2,2007 in Ottawa, ya gotta love the govt, listen to the review given on the P2000
"Very long heavy trigger pull, combined with the light weight, made this firearm the least consistent among all of the shooters. The groupings were not close and it would likely be a very difficult firearm to provide training on. One of the largest problems when training Correctional Officers on firearms is "anticipating the shot". This firearm would be very problematic in this aspect."
"Positive aspects are the interchangeable grips and the ambidextrous nature of the firearm.
So in reading the report where they evaluated the
*5946
*M&P
*P229 DAK
*P226
*PX4
*P2000
The P2000 got one of the weakest reviews and the Sig's probably in MHO got the best. This tells me H&K must have cut one hell of deal to get picked. A new Sig and new H&K are pretty close in price on the civilian market so i would love to know what kind of deal H&K made. As for Glock they were not in the running as they "did not have adjustable back straps for grips". You can all make your own conclusions from this.
"Very long heavy trigger pull, combined with the light weight, made this firearm the least consistent among all of the shooters. The groupings were not close and it would likely be a very difficult firearm to provide training on. One of the largest problems when training Correctional Officers on firearms is "anticipating the shot". This firearm would be very problematic in this aspect."
"Positive aspects are the interchangeable grips and the ambidextrous nature of the firearm.
So in reading the report where they evaluated the
*5946
*M&P
*P229 DAK
*P226
*PX4
*P2000
The P2000 got one of the weakest reviews and the Sig's probably in MHO got the best. This tells me H&K must have cut one hell of deal to get picked. A new Sig and new H&K are pretty close in price on the civilian market so i would love to know what kind of deal H&K made. As for Glock they were not in the running as they "did not have adjustable back straps for grips". You can all make your own conclusions from this.
