Clobbersauras
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I wish I'd never started it.
It's funny how nobody is questioning the quality of the products DLASK puts out. That says something right there, I think.
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New Dlask Flash Suppressors
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I wish I'd never started it.
It's funny how nobody is questioning the quality of the products DLASK puts out. That says something right there, I think.
I know for a fact that Ron Smith knows what Dlask is doing. In 2005 I bought a Vortex from Wolverine and it looked odd to me (it had the prongs ending in a spike shape). I contacted Ron Smith to ask about the Vortex and sent him a pic. He told me he never produced such a FH and that it was a knock off. Meanwhile Ryan (Wolverine) told me it was a Dlask FH and that he never had any complaints about the product. (But I still returned the Dlask and got a Vortex directly from Ron just to make sure I got a legit Vortex)
Ron said he would take legal action (that was in 2005) and I e-mailed Dlask to let them know what just happened. I even e-mailed Ron later asking if anything was going on with the legal action. I never heard from Ron or Dlask since then...
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Hear, hear. There's a difference between legal, and cheap, unimaginative design ripoff.
thanx for posting that zykopat , a story i am all to familiar with. Also the reason why I have maintained my stance on this from the beginning...... the two votex type flash hiders are not the same.... although they do serve similar function and are made to the same level of "quality control" and may appear to the uneducated as a ripp off. Ron smith's inaction on this 4 years ago ought to tell you all something..... seeing as it states right on his home page at smith ent that all patent infractions will be pursued.
I have referred literally hundreds of folks to Dlask and it has Never bit me in the asss. Thier stuff is quality and I'll continue to work with them on projects of my own..... and any other likeminded outfit that does cnc r&d and new product runs.
Dlask does not need canadian customers.... for every one of us , there is 10 Europeans he could sell to instead. Much like the U.S. doesn't need us cause there 10 american's for every one of us....... I'm just thankful that he is willing to entertain our market period.
p.s. Joe was approached on making a "similar" m14 chassis stock to what is availlable now..... he's had a troy mcs chassis for ovwer a year collecting dust. He told me himself, I can't be bothered, it's been done and I'm not going to copy the design. If he was the guy some here claim he was..... you would see troy mcs ish clones out there for the m14..... you have not and will not.
but how about marstar marketting the AKM stock, apparently made here in sakstchewan???? how is that not a rip off of sage industries Chassis stock?
I know, let's trash John at marstar and the guy that cloned the sage stock here in canada......
(and Johnone if you read this, I am kidding )
give yer heads a shake.
I have referred literally hundreds of folks to Dlask and it has Never bit me in the asss. Thier stuff is quality and I'll continue to work with them on projects of my own..... and any other likeminded outfit that does cnc r&d and new product runs.
Dlask does not need canadian customers.... for every one of us , there is 10 Europeans he could sell to instead. Much like the U.S. doesn't need us cause there 10 american's for every one of us....... I'm just thankful that he is willing to entertain our market period.
p.s. Joe was approached on making a "similar" m14 chassis stock to what is availlable now..... he's had a troy mcs chassis for ovwer a year collecting dust. He told me himself, I can't be bothered, it's been done and I'm not going to copy the design. If he was the guy some here claim he was..... you would see troy mcs ish clones out there for the m14..... you have not and will not.
but how about marstar marketting the AKM stock, apparently made here in sakstchewan???? how is that not a rip off of sage industries Chassis stock?
I know, let's trash John at marstar and the guy that cloned the sage stock here in canada......
(and Johnone if you read this, I am kidding )give yer heads a shake.
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Are you implying someone is bringing in stuff illegaly ? Care to take this to another forum post so we can discuss it more ?
Something no to be forgotten also to a certain limit: making a product to the same features and effect based on an existing product is STILL export of knowledge or technology to the law. I know its far fetched but dimensions and angles still originate from the US even if no 'part' have crossed the border...
US Patent 5596161 - Muzzle flash suppressor
US Patent Issued on January 21, 1997
Estimated Patent Expiration Date:
July 12, 2015Estimated Expiration Date is calculated based on simple USPTO term provisions. It does not account for terminal disclaimers, term adjustments, failure to pay maintenance fees, or other factors which might affect the term of a patent.
BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THE INVENTION
The flash suppressor of the present invention takes advantage of the aerodynamics of the propellant gases and projectile in a rifled barrel. The rifling imparts a spin on the bullet perpendicular to the direction of motion. This spin stabilizes the projectile as it travels through the air. The spinning of the projectile also imparts a spin on the adjacent trailing propellant and the shock wave ahead of the projectile, so that the leading air and trailing gas is rotating in the direction of the rifling (generally clockwise) as it exits the barrel. By employing offset, helical flutes in the same orientation as the gas rotation in a barrel extension, the flash suppressor of the present invention facilitates the radial and forward outward flow of the air ahead of the projectile and the exiting trailing propellant. The flutes extend all the way to the distal end of the device, so no barrier is presented to the forward and outward motion of the expanding air and gas. The rotational outward flow of the leading shock wave draws with it the air in the immediate vicinity of the muzzle, preventing oxygen from combining with the hot propellant gases immediately upon the propellant's exit from the muzzle. Directed outward expansion then cools the propellant and dissipates the unburned powder and also generates a vacuum to pull the remaining propellant behind the projectile outward away from the projectile.
The dissipation and cooling of the propellant gas not only suppresses the burning necessary for a flash, but also decreases recoil by directing a portion of the exiting propellant gases radially from the barrel and reduces muzzle lift by neutralizing some of the reaction to the torque generated by the spinning bullet. Finally, most of the propellant is drawn away from the projectile as it exits the firearm barrel, so that it does not exert a force to cause the projectile to yaw.
Thus it is one object of this invention to provide an improved form of flash suppressor to more effectively eliminate the post-exit propellant combustion and resultant visible flash attendant to discharging a firearm.
It is a further object of this invention to dissipate some of the reactive gas forces that contribute to the firearm recoil and muzzle lift.
It is a further object of this invention to draw the high-velocity exiting propellant away from the projectile to lessen the propellant's drag and the propellant's tendency to cause projectile yaw, thus leaving the projectile with greater velocity and stability.
It is a further objective of this invention to accomplish the foregoing with a device that is convenient and compatible with standard firearms
US Patent Issued on January 21, 1997
Estimated Patent Expiration Date:
July 12, 2015Estimated Expiration Date is calculated based on simple USPTO term provisions. It does not account for terminal disclaimers, term adjustments, failure to pay maintenance fees, or other factors which might affect the term of a patent.BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THE INVENTION
The flash suppressor of the present invention takes advantage of the aerodynamics of the propellant gases and projectile in a rifled barrel. The rifling imparts a spin on the bullet perpendicular to the direction of motion. This spin stabilizes the projectile as it travels through the air. The spinning of the projectile also imparts a spin on the adjacent trailing propellant and the shock wave ahead of the projectile, so that the leading air and trailing gas is rotating in the direction of the rifling (generally clockwise) as it exits the barrel. By employing offset, helical flutes in the same orientation as the gas rotation in a barrel extension, the flash suppressor of the present invention facilitates the radial and forward outward flow of the air ahead of the projectile and the exiting trailing propellant. The flutes extend all the way to the distal end of the device, so no barrier is presented to the forward and outward motion of the expanding air and gas. The rotational outward flow of the leading shock wave draws with it the air in the immediate vicinity of the muzzle, preventing oxygen from combining with the hot propellant gases immediately upon the propellant's exit from the muzzle. Directed outward expansion then cools the propellant and dissipates the unburned powder and also generates a vacuum to pull the remaining propellant behind the projectile outward away from the projectile.
The dissipation and cooling of the propellant gas not only suppresses the burning necessary for a flash, but also decreases recoil by directing a portion of the exiting propellant gases radially from the barrel and reduces muzzle lift by neutralizing some of the reaction to the torque generated by the spinning bullet. Finally, most of the propellant is drawn away from the projectile as it exits the firearm barrel, so that it does not exert a force to cause the projectile to yaw.
Thus it is one object of this invention to provide an improved form of flash suppressor to more effectively eliminate the post-exit propellant combustion and resultant visible flash attendant to discharging a firearm.
It is a further object of this invention to dissipate some of the reactive gas forces that contribute to the firearm recoil and muzzle lift.
It is a further object of this invention to draw the high-velocity exiting propellant away from the projectile to lessen the propellant's drag and the propellant's tendency to cause projectile yaw, thus leaving the projectile with greater velocity and stability.
It is a further objective of this invention to accomplish the foregoing with a device that is convenient and compatible with standard firearms
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Preceded by years by a long list of FH's.
So, not an invention.
I wonder where you have that info from, because you are full of it.
Pretty lame so far, Kevin.
Intellectual property is a whole different ballpark.
To establish intellectual property in a court of law over a part/assembly
may take a few years (and a sh!tload full of money).
Do you care to find significant cases in the last 50 years in the western world?
and if you do, how much money did they produce in settlements? ha?
As it was said earlier, Smith is upset, but if there was something to do
they would have done it long ago.
Besides, they can’t even stop the similar products
made by the basement-industry in their own country.
The same with the Noveske FH’s.
Go at any gun flea-market in US and see what I mean.
I am absolutely sure that EVERY SINGLE US-produced barrel, FH, etc. listed
for sale anywhere in Canada is backed by ALL the required export/import paperwork
to show its legality.
(So, how did I do? Did I answer good?)
Preceded by years by a long list of FH's.
So, not an invention.
That's bull. Dlask never produced a "MARS" or similar.
I wonder where you have that info from, because you are full of it.
Pretty lame so far, Kevin.
Intellectual property is a whole different ballpark.
To establish intellectual property in a court of law over a part/assembly
may take a few years (and a sh!tload full of money).
Do you care to find significant cases in the last 50 years in the western world?
and if you do, how much money did they produce in settlements? ha?
As it was said earlier, Smith is upset, but if there was something to do
they would have done it long ago.
Besides, they can’t even stop the similar products
made by the basement-industry in their own country.
The same with the Noveske FH’s.
Go at any gun flea-market in US and see what I mean.
Oh, nooooooo, NOBODY smuggles sh!t across the border.
I am absolutely sure that EVERY SINGLE US-produced barrel, FH, etc. listed
for sale anywhere in Canada is backed by ALL the required export/import paperwork
to show its legality.
(So, how did I do? Did I answer good?)
Like where? Please indicate the forum or re-phrase the question.
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I like this Troy m14 medieval muzzle brake/fs $75. It is twice the size of the DLASK product. $150 for a DLASK is asking too much. This is a good example of high prices in the firearms market. I would strongly suggest a price under $100. For goodness sakes, be reasonable. You don't want that reputation for high prices.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^
Preceded by years by a long list of FH's.
So, not an invention.
That's bull. Dlask never produced a "MARS" or similar.
I wonder where you have that info from, because you are full of it.
Pretty lame so far, Kevin.
Really... go back about 5 years on CGN.
I may still have some pics that a third party send me, which I forward to KAC to action. Very similar to another Canadian companies attempt.
As well I forwarded the intent of the CF to rip off the Mk46 vertical pistol grip to Jeff Cahill/Tango Down.
I despise people stealing ideas from others. You want it, pay for it, or build a better mousetrap.
Secondly slander is actionable.
Its fine for an American company to ripoff a russian design, patent it, and enforce that patent in a country they can't sell to.
Ya poor Noveske.
Dumbest thread ever. Its a s**tty muzzle brake no matter who makes it.
Heavy garbage.
Ya poor Noveske.
Dumbest thread ever. Its a s**tty muzzle brake no matter who makes it.
Heavy garbage.
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I like this Troy m14 medieval muzzle brake/fs $75. It is twice the size of the DLASK product. $150 for a DLASK is asking too much. This is a good example of high prices in the firearms market. I would strongly suggest a price under $100. For goodness sakes, be reasonable. You don't want that reputation for high prices.
This is not an expansion chamber. The one Dlask is selling is an expansion chamber, dont know if it is designed to break up the flash or not.
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Ok guys i’ll tell you a little secret. If you want to know the right person who encouraged Dlask to make this flash hider, you can start to blame Lector, because he was behind all this, and behind the A6 muzlebreak for ARs, VZ and M305 (that it is not a copy of any stupid opsinc muzzlebrake how that clown westicle said, Dlask A6 muzzlebrake is an original design). Lector was also behind Dlask short shotgun barrels and I can’t even know how many products were pushed by him. Blame him, he kept harassing Dlask for months to make that flash hider. Now let the fun begin. lol
I think it's great that these products are made in canada, even if they are direct copies. They are made using a very good manufacturing process, just as good as the original makers, and they are made here in canada so that we don't have to go through the hoo-la that the US border gives us.
I wish I'd never started it.
It's funny how nobody is questioning the quality of the products DLASK puts out. That says something right there, I think.
LOL Go look at the Dlask DAR701 threads, plenty of "questioning" there.
Clobbersauras
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Well I looked through three or four threads and most of the "questioning" was by people that didn't own one. Most of the posts by actual owners were positive....including yours....
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