New firearm, registration problem

Bond007

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Hello

I’m new to the forums and would like to share a story and maybe get some input. Before I begin let me say this, when all is said and done, I DO plan on joining a gun club,(just been very busy lately) but that’s not the point, just wondering why? And where is the consistency.

I recently received my RPAL a few months ago. I went to a gun store around my area and purchased a Mossberg 500 SPX and a Glock 22C. While the clerk was on the phone he asked me what gun club I belonged to, I stated that I’m not a member yet, but I plan on joining the Burlington gun club, I heard him tell this to someone on the phone. I took the Mossberg home that day. The next day he phoned me and advised me that my ATT was in to bring the Glock home. I picked it up a week later, and perhaps a week after that my registration papers came in from the RCMP.

Fast forward to yesterday.

I bought a Beretta M9 off another gun nutz on this forum. He called the RCMP for the transfer and called me back with a reference number. I phoned the RCMP and talked to a lady. Here is how the conversation went after verifying who I was.
Lady “What do you plan on using the gun for?”
Me “Target shooting”
Lady “What gun club do you belong to?”
Me “ I plan on joining the Burlington gun club”
Lady (with attitude) “You have to be part of a gun club before I register the gun to you”
Me “ That’s odd, I picked up my Glock a few weeks ago and didn’t have a problem”
Lady (with even more attitude) “and what did you tell them last time!!?”
Me “Same thing I’m telling you this time”
Lady “I’m going to have to transfer your file to the province for review”
Me “ok???”

End of conversation.

What does that mean? Transfer the file to the province for review?

I don’t understand why it was no problem a few weeks ago and now it’s a problem.

From my understanding all I am doing in registering a firearm and according to my little understanding of the firearms act is states and I quote.

“Registration Certificates
Registration certificate
13. A person is not eligible to hold a registration certificate for a firearm unless the person holds a licence authorizing the person to possess that kind of firearm.”

From the RCMP website
Registration
To be able to register a firearm, you require a firearms licence that is valid for that class of firearm. There is no fee to register or transfer a firearm.

Newly Acquired Firearms
If you acquire a firearm from a Canadian source, it must be registered to you before you take possession of it. This will occur as part of the transfer process and must take place any time a firearm of any class changes ownership.
In most cases, the entire process can be completed by calling 1 800 731-4000 and selecting the "transfer" option from the menu of services. Alternatively, fill out form CAFC 681. This is a two-part form that must be completed by both you and the current owner.

I have no problem joining the gun club, and plan on doing it any day from now. But wtf? What is the problem? I have my RPAL. What is wrong with having it at your house legally? Why was the glock allowed? I could not find anywhere in the Firearms act that states you must be part of a gun club to register a firearm.

Thanks for the read and comments are welcome!

PS. I live in Ontario if that matters.

Regards,
 
Bond, first of all congrats on getting your PAL!

Now, i'm just assuming you don't know much about the firearm laws. 90 % of the firearm laws are aimed at shewing away new shooters because, of all the red tape and meaningless BS laws.

I had that very same thing happen to me when they first started that meaningless peice of ......
I went to buy a Walther P22, waited, waited, waited.. So I decided to phone the gun store where I purchesed the firearm from. They said they are still waiting on the CFO, and to phone them. I took that suggestion and phoned them, they told me I needed to be a member of a gun club in order to own a restricted firearm.
At this point i'm not pleased.
I said to her, "I have 7 handguns - why do I need to get a range membership now?"
Not a reply that is even worth remembering she says.

Now what about short term ATT's? Those are the biggest waste of money, paper, time, my attention, ect..
I have a 5 year LTATT, why would I need a STATT? They know who I'am, this isn't my first time.
They just basically ignore you when you call them on something.

So Mr. Bond bottom line, don't waste your time trying to make sence out of bad meaningless laws, your life gets ever shorter when you do so.

Best of luck, and congrats again for getting your Rpal!
-JS
 
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Everything you are talking about happened to me a while back.
I think this is what will happen. Since it is a restricted firearm, the process includes the provincial cfo review it. You had a few choices to make and this is what would or could happen, (in layman's terms).

(a) Tell the RCMP you are a member of a club. You might get fast tracked and the provincial cfo okays your transfer.

(b) Tell the RCMP you are about to join a club. You go in a pile where the provincial cfo wants to talk to you. You then tell them you are about to join a club, and they okay the transfer.
Note: it is up to you and the provincial cfo, how many times you can say you are about to join a club.

(c) Tell the RCMP the firearm is an addition to your gun collection. This goes in to a pile where the provincial cfo checks to see if you are "registered as a gun collector with them"

If so, it gets approved, maybe you talk to them, maybe you don't.
If not, you register as a collector, which involves filling out a questionnaire and then being approved.


I chose option (b) a couple of times. Then I got tired of that and chose option (c), the last time.

Note: Option (a) is simpler and faster, and does not include allowing the police to inspect your premises.
 
Just curious why you would say "I plan on joining the Burlington gun club"...why not just say "Burlington Gun club"?

When I bought my Glock (private transfer) I didn't use the word "plan" and I had no problems. If your serious about joining that club you should have just said the club name.
 
Why not just join a club and save yourself all the hassle with the cfo. If they flag your file as a troublemaker you will have a crappy time with every transfer. You really don't want the knock on the door from the cop asking to inspect your collection, storage etc etc. These people have nothing better to do than to spend all thier time to make your life miserable.
If you told them the pistol was for target shooting, you are are screwed because for that you need to belong to a club.
Good luck Keep us posted
For what it is worth I was told to fax a copy of my club membership before they would start to process my first restricted.
 
577/450 said:
Why not just join a club and save yourself all the hassle with the cfo. If they flag your file as a troublemaker you will have a crappy time with every transfer. You really don't want the knock on the door from the cop asking to inspect your collection, storage etc etc. These people have nothing better to do than to spend all thier time to make your life miserable.
If you told them the pistol was for target shooting, you are are screwed because for that you need to belong to a club.
Good luck Keep us posted
For what it is worth I was told to fax a copy of my club membership before they would start to process my first restricted.
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Exactly, you beat me to it. They do NOT take your word for it, they want a photcopy of a valid membership along with your LTATT application.
 
Bond, did you mention you are from Ontario? You probably did, so I have no clue what the heck is going besides others saying they just like to delay things for us noobs and vets I suppose.

It really shouldn't be a problem for Ontario. I haven't bought any restricteds yet, but I do plan to join a club too! LOL!

I guess I'll just save up and buy all of them at the same time from same store too and see what happens. I would hate to sit and wait twice as long.

As for non-restricteds, I bought 2 on the same day, from different shops. X-fer just took minutes. 3rd one coming in the mail from EE. So far so good for me. But I'm sure my luck will end soon when I buy another shotgun and a couple of rifles.
 
novega said:
Just curious why you would say "I plan on joining the Burlington gun club"...why not just say "Burlington Gun club"?

When I bought my Glock (private transfer) I didn't use the word "plan" and I had no problems. If your serious about joining that club you should have just said the club name.
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Because she asked me what club i belonged to. I'm not part of a club, but i do plan on joinging the Burlington Gun Club.
 
Slipped through the cracks?
Different person?
ALL restricted transfers go through the provincial CFO.
Sounds as if the problem with the second one surfaced in Miramichi, not Orillia.
 
tiriaq said:
Slipped through the cracks?
Different person?
ALL restricted transfers go through the provincial CFO.
Sounds as if the problem with the second one surfaced in Miramichi, not Orillia.
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Perhaps i will just call the CFO tomorrow.

Happy Canada btw Guys!
 
Bond007 said:
I plan on it, but the main part of my post is why would they allow the glock a few week ago, and now its a problem?
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I don't think it should be a problem. You just got unlucky.

No where does it say you can't buy more than 1 restricted and not belong to a club (Ontario).

But to prevent that problem for me... I'm just going to buy 2 restricteds at the same time from same store. Let's see how the CFO is goning to handle that? I'm going to go on another shopping spree soon and figure out what I really like to shoot with. I'll probably end up with a few safe queens. I hope I don't get flagged.
 
No where does it say you can't buy more than 1 restricted and not belong to a club (Ontario).
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You don't have to be in a club if you are a collector. If you want to be a collector they want to put you on a list of collectors. To get on the list you need to answer a questionnaire.

This is how they are doing it now in Ontario. It used to be different.
 
Gun club requirement

ajayofcanada said:
T own a Restricted you have to have your RPAL and be a member of a gun club.
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Where does it say...officially...that you have to be a member of a gun club to own a restricted (other than 'collector')? If it's written down and is a real rule, not just a made up requirement, then what happens if your membership in the club lapses? Is that grounds for them saying you are no longer eligible to own? Alternatively, if the logic is that the reason to own a hand gun is to shoot, and the only place where you can do that is a club (maybe that's the connection between owning a restricted and being a member of a club?), does that preclude gaps in time where you are unable or don't wish to actively shoot?
 
I guess they have never heard of day passes? Some people like checking out every range. I guess you really can't in Toronto, their is only what 1 sence Miller.
 
ajayofcanada said:
T own a Restricted you have to have your RPAL and be a member of a gun club.
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Thats what I'm trying to get at, I don't see anywhere in the firearms act that states you have to be a member of a gun club to own a restricted firearm. It states that you have to have the proper license.

Oh well, I was just curious why 2 weeks ago it was fine and now its a problem.

I already filled out my membership, just waiting a response.
 
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