New forum idea
- Thread starter KDX
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Maybe people that shoot precision rifles need to move over and recognise that if someone calls a Remington 700 SPS tactical a precision rifle that they mean target rifle and just don't know better. Rather than calling them out and making them mad maybe tell them you want target rifle advice and give them the advice rather than tear off heads.
Some times they get mad even when they haven't been called out like we have seen recently, but making 2 forums is pointless, cause benchrest guys can give a lot of advice to guys starting out with their lowly pencil barrels and Savage actions until they learn the sport.
This forum has had too much drama lately. More threads are going to get locked and mods may have to start coming down on a few guys.
I know I bit my tongue more than once thinking it wasn't worth even posting and 2 minutes later a few guys jump in head first.
Some times they get mad even when they haven't been called out like we have seen recently, but making 2 forums is pointless, cause benchrest guys can give a lot of advice to guys starting out with their lowly pencil barrels and Savage actions until they learn the sport.
This forum has had too much drama lately. More threads are going to get locked and mods may have to start coming down on a few guys.
I know I bit my tongue more than once thinking it wasn't worth even posting and 2 minutes later a few guys jump in head first.
well...not because it was my idea cause it wasn't
Lets keep the precision forum for "precision" and have a "varmint precision" for the others....That will keep the "need long range sniping rifle for under 1000 or 1500 dollar all in threads" down to a minimum in the precision forum.
(Ohhh Ima gonna get it for that one) but other than jerrys neat rigs, the average Joe is not going to go to the length of machining an action block etc and putting the work/testing into a rig like his.
As per people asking questions, more people need to use the search function, and or read pages and pages of threads......I have had this pointed out as well, but instead of these continous threads, more reading, and if you can't find then ask. The knowledge is still available for all, I am SURE if there was another forum all the members would frequent it, and would help out where they can.....
Just MHO........
EVERYBODY started somewhere......so I don't think its downplaying the the "700 vs stevens long range sniper threads" as hell, I even have my savage "lr" rig still....
Woot Woot - to me precision is more than a stock or bedded factory rifle....
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Maybe there should be another sub forum like somebody said in I think Ian Robertsons thread....... One for people Precision rifles (customs wildcats,long range shooting) and people with questions/comments about such, and one for people that have questions comments concerns about non-precision rifles, but more precision than "regular" hunting rifles .....(the Varmint rifle forum) or such.......
Lets keep the precision forum for "precision" and have a "varmint precision" for the others....That will keep the "need long range sniping rifle for under 1000 or 1500 dollar all in threads" down to a minimum in the precision forum.
(Ohhh Ima gonna get it for that one) but other than jerrys neat rigs, the average Joe is not going to go to the length of machining an action block etc and putting the work/testing into a rig like his.
As per people asking questions, more people need to use the search function, and or read pages and pages of threads......I have had this pointed out as well, but instead of these continous threads, more reading, and if you can't find then ask. The knowledge is still available for all, I am SURE if there was another forum all the members would frequent it, and would help out where they can.....
Just MHO........
EVERYBODY started somewhere......so I don't think its downplaying the the "700 vs stevens long range sniper threads" as hell, I even have my savage "lr" rig still....
Woot Woot - to me precision is more than a stock or bedded factory rifle....
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" guys strating out with their lowly pencil barrels and Savage actions until they learn the sport."
"mods may have to strat coming down on a few guys."
for instance...baiting savage shooters?
"mods may have to strat coming down on a few guys."
for instance...baiting savage shooters?
No kidding. The ego thing itself makes it hard to get involved with competitive shooting as well. I like shooting comps as well, but if some guy wants to get on a high horse about his bisley benchrest days, and talk like he cured cancer, it just kills the sport. Thankfully, not many competitors that I have met are like this, but I sure remember the ones that are.
Many hobbies have the specialized hardcores, and the part timers. If the specialized hardcores develop an elitist mentality, and loose touch with the specialized nature of their hobby, the hobby will die off as there will be no new blood.
The reverse is required to keep a hobby alive.
Take running for example. The guy that finishes a marathon in under 2h30 does not have a bunch to say to the guy that finishes in 4h. They will train differently.
It takes most runners a fair bit of training to be sub 4h, and many starters will train hard just to finish. Marathon running grew dramatically in the 80s and 90s though largely because (most of) the fast guys stayed humble, and explained what to do to the newbies. In the process, programs were created such that most anyone that wants to can finish a marathon ~18 weeks after they start training. the fast guys kept getting faster as well.
I doubt that many people -- even gun nutz --- would have an idea where to start in the process of buying or using a proper "target rifle". That isn't healthy.
Just a thought here bought almost 90% of the questions asked would be answered by the gunsmith the newbies choose,, each smith has there idea,, of what is acceptable.
Lately it's been a lot of questions,, the OP gets the answer from very experienced shooters and turn there nose up. I agree that everyone starts somewhere but,, why waste money and time when people are giving great solid advice of years of being in the shooting game. It seems to me that most of these OPs have nothing better to do than type instead of taking the advice and finding a good smith, of which we are blessed with some of the best in the world. IMHO
Lately it's been a lot of questions,, the OP gets the answer from very experienced shooters and turn there nose up. I agree that everyone starts somewhere but,, why waste money and time when people are giving great solid advice of years of being in the shooting game. It seems to me that most of these OPs have nothing better to do than type instead of taking the advice and finding a good smith, of which we are blessed with some of the best in the world. IMHO
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I think a Varmint/Hunting Precision rifle subforum would be a decent idea. It would open it up to some discussions geared more towards long range hunting while weeding out the "anything over 75 yards is unethical" debates sometimes found in the regular hunting forum.
If someone asks about a 338 LMAI in that forum everyone will know why and we can skip the "get a .22 first" and "a .223 is all you need" fights for the most part. There will still be the occasional new guy with magnum fever but maybe a Sticky could help them out.
While we are on the new forum subject, I would also like to see the reloading forum split. Maybe more of Pistols, Shotgun, rifle. Or even a Precision reloading subforum in precision rifles.
If someone asks about a 338 LMAI in that forum everyone will know why and we can skip the "get a .22 first" and "a .223 is all you need" fights for the most part. There will still be the occasional new guy with magnum fever but maybe a Sticky could help them out.
While we are on the new forum subject, I would also like to see the reloading forum split. Maybe more of Pistols, Shotgun, rifle. Or even a Precision reloading subforum in precision rifles.
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I spend alot of time reading the reams of valuable info that comes out of this forum. There are tons of experienced and helpful people here, some of which are vendors and some who are not.
There surely seems to be alot of people who jump on newbies, but for the most part there seems to be alot of constructive argument that comes out of these threads if you can sort out the BS.
If you cannot separate the totally uninformed and ridiculous posts that do, inevitably, occur, than you may well be led down the path that, may or may not be what you are looking for.
I think if someone spends time to read the wealth of info in past posts and the stickys, than you should have the ammo, (pardon the pun) to make an informed decision in the end.
My two pennies.
There surely seems to be alot of people who jump on newbies, but for the most part there seems to be alot of constructive argument that comes out of these threads if you can sort out the BS.
If you cannot separate the totally uninformed and ridiculous posts that do, inevitably, occur, than you may well be led down the path that, may or may not be what you are looking for.
I think if someone spends time to read the wealth of info in past posts and the stickys, than you should have the ammo, (pardon the pun) to make an informed decision in the end.
My two pennies.
I think there may be a lot of us that just can't afford to get into the boomer game nor does it suit where we live or what we're into. For me it's all about very small groups and a 300-400yd shot is max as I'm now shooting small bore and varmints are my game. That's not to say that I don't really enjoy reading and learning from a good many of the posts in this forum, but I think the idea of a sub forum has merit too.
I don't mind the newbie questions and I always try to steer them in the right direction. If someone is new to the game and wants to know if he should spend 5K on some super-duper magnum rifle that he heard from a buddy that you need to be able to shoot 1000 yards, I point out other options.
I hate to see people waste their money on something that isn't really what they are after. I will always try to direct a new shooter towards a lighter recoiling rifle, like a fast twist .223 to learn the game, before dropping a few grand on a custom rig.
I hate to see people waste their money on something that isn't really what they are after. I will always try to direct a new shooter towards a lighter recoiling rifle, like a fast twist .223 to learn the game, before dropping a few grand on a custom rig.
People do realize there is a Hunting and Sporting forum(Read as, varminting should be posted there?) correct? If someone from the "precision rifle" forum that has gone to/won at Bisley or goes to/wins BR matches gives advice here, you better start listening. They didn't get there by shear luck, they have already gone through 99% of these questions asked, it's not so much an ego thing as a do a damn search thing cause this has been brought up a million times thing.
What makes most people frustrated is the repetition of new posts in here "what the cheapest precision rifle I can get" "I want a 50cal but don't want to pay more than $1000"
We don't need a new forum, we need to use what we have correctly.
What makes most people frustrated is the repetition of new posts in here "what the cheapest precision rifle I can get" "I want a 50cal but don't want to pay more than $1000"
We don't need a new forum, we need to use what we have correctly.
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I havn't been hunting for years now and when I did it was mostly birds but i see posts of people wanting to shoot Bear, Deer etc. out to 3-4-500 yards. Now in my estimation and limited hunting (big animals) experience. To hit the vitals on even a large animal at 400 yards the rifle used will have to be accurate, as in 1 M.O.A. accurate (4" circle @400) That's decent shooting and a good rifle with the proper scope should be able to do this if the hunter can. For alot of the people posting in the precision forum I percieve this as the type of accuracy they're looking for. And if this is what will make them happy thats wonderfull and likely other hunters that shoot that distance can answer the questions for that purpose.
For the ones that shoot 5K rifles and use scopes priced over $1500-$2000 with match bullets these are obviously not regular hunting rifles and are built for a totally different type of shooting.
For the ones who shoot the 1000 yard shoots and expect 1/4" groups at 100 or better , they can't post in the hunting forum because it obviously doesn't apply, they HAVE to post in the Precision forum because it applies the most.
M.
I havn't been hunting for years now and when I did it was mostly birds but i see posts of people wanting to shoot Bear, Deer etc. out to 3-4-500 yards. Now in my estimation and limited hunting (big animals) experience. To hit the vitals on even a large animal at 400 yards the rifle used will have to be accurate, as in 1 M.O.A. accurate (4" circle @400) That's decent shooting and a good rifle with the proper scope should be able to do this if the hunter can. For alot of the people posting in the precision forum I percieve this as the type of accuracy they're looking for. And if this is what will make them happy thats wonderfull and likely other hunters that shoot that distance can answer the questions for that purpose.
For the ones that shoot 5K rifles and use scopes priced over $1500-$2000 with match bullets these are obviously not regular hunting rifles and are built for a totally different type of shooting.
For the ones who shoot the 1000 yard shoots and expect 1/4" groups at 100 or better , they can't post in the hunting forum because it obviously doesn't apply, they HAVE to post in the Precision forum because it applies the most.
M.
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Johnny_Canuck
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"hEY GUYS NEW HERE WHAT SNIPER SHOULD I BUY SAVIDGE OR REMMINTON THANKS"
Sigh! There's always at least one. *whacks head on wall
Sigh! There's always at least one. *whacks head on wall
I shoot 400-500yds, at coyotes. This forum has been great. There is lots of info out there & if someone gets in a huff just pass by. I've been PMed by some here with very helpfull info. Percision at 100yd or 1000 has a lot in common. Just another 2 cents.
I believe the biggest part of the problem was mentioned in the locked thread, it's just too goddam cold, and we all need to get out shooting.
We're miserable sitting in front of a computer, and somebody asks again another question that's been answered 500 times, and dammit, you have to post something, as other fools are posting the wrong stuff, I'll show those fools who they are, DammiT!
A couple above zero days, guys burn some powder, everybody will be in much better spirits.
And buy the Savidge Sniper ultra-tactical tac-snipe rifle in 338-408 lapua cheytac browning ultra magnum. With a $40 tasco scope, you can hit prairie dogs in the retina from 1500y, with a 45k crosswind.
We're miserable sitting in front of a computer, and somebody asks again another question that's been answered 500 times, and dammit, you have to post something, as other fools are posting the wrong stuff, I'll show those fools who they are, DammiT!
A couple above zero days, guys burn some powder, everybody will be in much better spirits.
And buy the Savidge Sniper ultra-tactical tac-snipe rifle in 338-408 lapua cheytac browning ultra magnum. With a $40 tasco scope, you can hit prairie dogs in the retina from 1500y, with a 45k crosswind.
