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I'm still shacked up with my parents. It's their house, their rules. I worked on them and got the OK for handguns. Now it's time for reloading. I'm dutch so saving money is what I do for a living (must be why im still at home, lol). I want to get into reloading to save money and get a little more "into" the hobby/sport.

The biggest issue with them is safety. All I have to support my cause is the powder used is slow burning, unlike blackpowder which explodes. Anything else I could use as leverage?
 
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I'm still shacked up with my parents. It's their house, their rules. I worked on them and got the OK for handguns. Now it's time for reloading. I'm dutch so saving money is what I do for a living (must be why im still at home, lol). I want to get into reloading to save money and get a little more "into" the hobby/sport.

The biggest issue with them is safety. All I have to support my cause is the powder used is slow burning, unlike blackpowder which explodes. Anything else I could use as leverage?
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Best argument I can thnk of is that if it wasn't safe, it would be banned or heavily regulated by the Federal Government.There are thousands of people who reload daily. If accidents happen, it's usually at the range when they shoot a double charge cartridge or one reloaded with the wrong powder. The most important aspect of reloading is to PAY ATTENTION when doing it, and follow all safety rules outlined in the Reloading Manuals. If you can, get an experienced reloader to show you the ropes, can't hurt.
 
You could always move out and find your own place. Oops, some landlords won't allow handloading in thier building. Your parents house I guess it's thier rules. Having raised two teenagers I can speak with some authority on who's house it is. I was really mean though, when my then 13 year old daughter slammed her bedroom door to "End" an argument I simply got out my tool box, removed her door and stored it in the garage. She got it back 2 years later when she apoligized to her mom for the way she treated her.

I understand that you feel you are a responsable adult, right? Well responsable adults move away from home and make thier way in the world on thier own, not living with mom and dad. If your parents don't want you reloading in thier home, then you don't reload, simple, easy and direct.
My wife and I were the "Cool" parents that all the kids that became my daughters friends felt at home in our house but they followed the rules, no smoking in the house, no one drives home if they have been drinking at all and no hats in my house. You should have seen the one young lads face when after I asked him to remove his hat sneered at me and said why? I simply walked over to him, grabbed the base ball hat off of his head and sent it onto the front lawn and told him to follow it! He never came back, not because I told him he couldn't but because my daughter told him he could not for disrespecting me in my home.

I think it is this lack of respect that causes you to believe you have the right to "Work on" your parents for additional privilages other than those you presently enjoy. Why should your parents allow you to reload in thier home again?

Scott,
 
Wow Scott, you sound like a dink. Let the poor kid try, he sounds like a responsible young lad, why shouldn't he be able to try and convince his parents he can reload?
 
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I understand that you feel you are a responsable adult, right? Well responsable adults move away from home and make thier way in the world on thier own, not living with mom and dad.
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Not even close to being true Scott. Many "responsable" adults live in arrangements with parents/grand-parents/relatives. It's got to do with finances and that families values. Your values are different than others. Try and tell people of Asian or East Indian decent for example that they are less of a man because they stay with and help their family. Not everyone that is still at home is a mooching lazy scum that needs to be tossed from "the nest". There are a lot more family dynamics out there other than what you grew up with, open your eyes and don't be so judgmental.
 
Respect is a two way street, even though I(really we) have ultimate say I would never modle respect to them if I did not listen them out. A visiual might help take a small amout 20-30 grains of powder somewhere save and light it in the open air, when they see how it burns in the open air it will seem a lot less scarry. People have a mind picture from the movies a spark in the powder keg and a large Kaboom which is not true of modern progressive powders.

Ultimatly it is thier decision.

That being said I have a buddy who keeps his loading stuff at my house (mostly because I have the gear) so maybe if the answer is no there is a way to get started.

Don't want to hijack the thread but ...

But it does bring up a broader question, we are mostly confortable with the concept who has the resposibility has the power. So in the age where we are loosing our civil liberties is it because they are taking away our rights or is it more we are abdicating our responsibilities. The next slippery slope "Universal child care"
 
I don't think I was being judgmental, just realistic. Both of my kids left home early, as did I, not because we were kicked out but because there was a big old world out there and I and they wanted to see it. Family dynamics not withstanding, it is still his parents house not his. I don't think I was a dink either Kolyarh. Would you remove your hat in my home after being asked? If not why not? Both of my kids call home all the time, come home for visits and even better, the friends they left behind come for visits and to talk with both my wife and myself about things they can't talk to thier parents about. If I was a dink, would any of this happen? Even kids that I have spoken harshly too about the behavior exhibited in my home call me and ask for advise about how to handle problems in thier lives. I think I instilled a sense of self in my kids and the other kids that spent time in my house. They were always treated with respect and as adults. As mentioned above, respect is a two way street and those kids that respected my rules and my home gained my respect and council, those that did not, did not. I always believed my job as a father was to teach my children how to be adults and what to look for in a mate. Not keep them at home when they expressed a desire to leave or make the adult decisions for them. Once they made the first adult decision in thier lives they were an adult and were treated as such from then on. I have a set of rules, 4 to be exact that I believe every young woman should learn and memorize.

Rule # 1 Men are simple creatures, they are either hungry or horny, if hungry feed them if horny, figure it out. Don't try to make us more complicated then we are.

Rule # 2 Men are not your girlfriends. If you have a problem and you just want to talk about it, go find a girlfriend, do not tell your man or he will try to solve the problem and you will hate him.

Rule # 3 If you and your man are having an argument and he turns and walks away from you....DO NOT FOLLOW HIM. He is walking away from you because he loves you and he does not want to kill you.

Rule # 4 Men are not-fixer uppers, we come as we are. If you think you can change a man, you also believe you can teach a pig to sing, you will waste your time and annoy the pig!

My girls learned these rules and one will be married next summer and the other is still exploring her world and learning how to be an adult out on her own, making her way in the world.

Man I'm getting long winded in my old age!!

Scott
 
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Scott, you couldn't be further from the truth. You have no idea what my situation is so please save your personal attacks. I am very respectful towards my parents. As you can tell your post bothers be so let me clear up the situation for you. I make a fair bit of money, have no debt, doing well but I'm not ready to buy a house yet. I live at home now and am very helpful. We are doing reno's so I take part in that, cutting the grass, laundry, dishes, vacuuming, grocery shopping, making dinner, other stuff as well plus I pay rent. I'm there because it's convenient for us all and I can stash away money to buy a house and in investments. I could move out now and pay off someone else mortgage with the rent, but I'd rather pay my family. END.OF.RANT.

I really like the idea with the powder. I think that one will work the best when they actually see what it does. After that I'll do some household item comparisons. I used to have nitro RC's a while ago and they were ok with that. I think I'll make them a special dinner, then some drinks (lots) before I have a demonstration for them. I'm going to need some fancy lights, expensive wine and a waitress for the night, lol.
 
As long as it is stored properly it will not explode. It will burn but so will most things in your house. Your reloading bench(and powder) is probably no more dangerous than the contents of the cabinet under your kitchen sink.


For next time....
It is far easier to beg forgivness than ask permission.
As long as they aren't going to kick you out...lol
 
as Python said if u go through the hassle of finding someone to teach u and buy a manual it will show u are responsable and will reasure your parents. They want your safety & there respect.this helps both. good luck & read lots
 
Greg,
If you can find a copy of one of the origional training films from the first Canadian Safety Course they had a really good video of smokeless powder and black powder being ignighted. Black goes woosh real fast and smokeless, well lets say it kinda just fissles. The most important thing you need to do is find someone that is really good at reloading and learn from them, then have that person show your parents how it is done then get your mom to load some rounds for you. You will alos need a seperate container to store your primers. This container should not be airtight ot actually very strong. You more want to direct the "Blast" than contain it. I have loaded for 35 od years and had my young daughters doing it all by themselves, under direct supervision of course, by about age 9 or 10. Reloading in itself can be quite relaxing, gives one time to reflect and think. Best of luck, let me know what calibre's your doing and I'll see if I can dig up anu of my pet loads for them!

Scott
 
I would suggest you look at the Dillon 550 or 650. The 550 is a Semi Automatic progressive press and the 650 is pretty well fully Automatic. Either of these presses will do all the cartridges you have mentioned very well.You might want to first consider a single stage press so you can learn what this reloading thing is all about. It will help you a lot for the rifle cartridges. Progressive presses are fantastic for high volume reloading but a bit too fast to learn all of he important steps.

I'll dig up my favorite loads for those four calibres and send thme along to you.
Scott
 
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