new glock having some trouble handling

Just proving my point. Selling speed fills a class. Selling boring methods that work simply isn't ###y enough for people. Mr. Cowan states that at the 3:37 mark. The discussion that the release is faster. Again, if your life depends on the speed of your reload, your tactics suck. You can't set the scene with so little context and say that a faster reload is absolutely the most important factor. Reloading without the use of concealment or cover is poor tactics. The result is a race between good guy and bad guy as to who can get their gun working and/or make hits first. That fight has nothing to do with methods and everything to do with pure skill, that is who is faster. If the good guy is faster at inserting a single round via the E port than the bad guy is with inserting a magazine and using the slide lock then it is what it is. That doesn't justify single loading as the "best" method or even a "great" method.

MR. Cowan also falls into the trap I posted about above. No one said your fine motor skills are ABSENT. Your fine motor skills are simply reduced/diminished. Comprehension is very important. He also falls for the "your mag release is and trigger are fine motor skills.." argument. Where he is correct, but you don't hav any other choice with those controls. That being said, both the mag release and the trigger operate in one direction only. The slide lock moves in two directions.

To dive a little deeper. We could add any number of other factors in the situation. Broken slide catch, injured hand(s), bloody hands, muddy hands, gloved hands, weaker hand strength, pre existing hand injury, lower skill set/experience, or single handed operation.

Using the slide works on ALL semi autos. It also works for both right and left handed folks. It mimics your IA drill and half of your RA drill. It also mimics your IA for rifles(for the most part). Using the slide is the only way to unload and show clear for the competitors out there. Your slide lock is a one trick pony, and it only works in 1 of it's 2 possible positions.

The mentioning of interlimb coordination was simply to illustrate that gross motor skills and repetitions motions take over from fine motor skills and relatively non repetitious motions.

Ok there I guess Larry Vickers and Jason Falla and numerous other SOF guys are wrong. You know best TDC/Kiddx.
 
From the glock manual

"If the slide is locked in the rearward position, either press the slide stop lever (27) down to release
the slide and return it to the fully forward position or
grasp the rear of the slide at the serrations with your
other hand and pull the slide fully back and then
release it, allowing it to return to the fully forward
position."

So we can quit with the BS that the slide stop wasn't designed to be used to chamber a round

Yes, it lists either method as either will work. The design and intention was for the slide lock to be used to manually lock the slide to the rear, and if necessary close the slide. Again, look at the direction of the serrations on the slide lock. It is designed to be used to lock the slide open, not close it.

Your entire response is nothing but the same useless internet opinions. Do you even shoot a Glock?
Slide locks/releases all lock in the same manor. It gets rammed up by the empty mags follower into a slot cut out on the slide, the same way all semi auto handguns do yet somehow you still argue that the Glocks wasn’t designed that way. This is a response argued by guys who spend more time staring and fondeling then they do shooting.

You do you, but don’t give stupid advice to others. I’d recommend finding a better training source then James Yeager YouTube videos.

Try post #16, again comprehension is important. You also have fallen victim to not understanding the words chosen. No one said the slide lock doesn't work, no one said it doesn't allow the slide to be released. What is being said is that the slide lock was not the intended to be used as the primary method of loading/reloading the pistol. This is factual information. If you'd read the book "Glock: The New Wave in Combat Handguns" you'd have learned that. The information compiled in the book came from the executive vice president(at the time), their head of training, and several other staff.

I don't think I've ever had this issue with my gen 5 - but I'm also not sure if I've tried to drop an open slide with an empty magazine inserted. Will attempt and report back tonight.

As for the rack vs. slide stop argument, I've asked multiple instructors which method to use and why and the consensus seems to be exactly what Lugar223 quoted - IT DOESN'T MATTER. One instructor told me that the slide stop was preferred by most militaries and manufacturers up until the 40's, when Israel was created and their military was established - because they were using a multitude of different sidearms from different origins at that point, they decided to train soldiers to rack the slide to avoid nuances and differences between different pistols' slide stops. To me, this doesn't mean that using either method is incorrect, but it may depend on the firearm - and racking the slide may be a safer bet if you're deciding between one or the other.

The story above may be incorrect, as I'm going off of what "a guy" once told me, but now that that horse is beaten past dead...

The Isareli's are credited with making "Israeli carry" popular. That was due to the many different pistols they issued. Israeli carry involves carrying with an empty chamber and racking the slide upon the draw. It had nothing to do with the slide locks. Oddly enough racking the slide is the only way to load the pistol when carried like Israeli.... Weird.

Then why does Glock specifically say in their manual to use the slide stop to chamber a round from a locked back position?

Oh yeah its because you are talking out of your ass.

They list it as a possible method. They do not indicate it as the preferred method. In keeping with the "standard" offered by other brands and the common practice of using the slide lock, they list it. Read my response above. Go read the book about the Glock handgun and learn that it(slide lock) was never designed to be used as the primary method of loading.
 
So your argument is "other guys do it so I do it". Why not validate it for yourself. Can you dispute what I posted?

I've already have validated it myself. And when you have majority of top end guys who have been there done that who use the slide release, I'd consider that a clue.

Anyways I'm done discussing, especially with you. Pretty pathetic when you constantly get banned but you keep coming back. Good VPN you got there.

Also I guess combat pilots who have to press little buttons and switches and even have dual controls one per hand are magicians...
 
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Why does anyone care how someone else reloads their pistol?
I prefer to think that TDC/Kiddx/Yyc just wants us to be safe, should the cardboard targets start firing back, or if we're suddenly in a gun fight while at the range, or if society breaks down. He simply cares about us. :cheers:
 
Learn how to insert your mag with enough force that the slides drops itself !

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I can offer forward my last comments re Vickers er al.... this was a career for those guys. The chances you will be in a possibly lethal confrontation as a civilian or any type of LE are extremely rare. For those that compare their own perceived performance in a gun fight to Vickers and becoming involved in these affairs on a regular basis.... by all means, use the slide stop lever as a release. Party on. No skin off my nose. A “Tap, Rack” clears 95% of all issues, no matter what they are. When you watch some local IPSC etc, and that guy up there has a foul up, watch him operate everything in a complete panic. Coulda tapped and racked....

Anyway, OP, sorry for being involved in the hijack. I am in agreeance re: your gun. All my Glocks were difficult to operate as slide releases when bought as well. I suspect as they are used that way and wear the slid they will get easier to use.
 
Holy crap, the misinformation, dogma and outright lies in this thread. Wow.

To answer the OP’s question, yes, you should be able to depress the slide release lever on an empty mag and close the slide. If it does not work there is something wrong with the mag or gun.

The fine motor skill discussion should have died 10 years ago. It’s really laughable that people are still discussing it. Same as using the slide release button vs manually racking the slide.
 
Instead of slamming the slide forward - with the slide release - on an empty chamber, do your pistol a favor and move slightly the slide rearwards and, while still holding it, bring it closed gently.
Then dry fire it, clean the finger prints from the slide and store it.
AND don't ever over lubricate the pistol.
Read the notice before doing so.
And before tinkering with your pistol, go to the range like said above, shoot 500 rounds, relax and seek advice before modding your gun.
 
Holy crap, the misinformation, dogma and outright lies in this thread. Wow.

To answer the OP’s question, yes, you should be able to depress the slide release lever on an empty mag and close the slide. If it does not work there is something wrong with the mag or gun.

The fine motor skill discussion should have died 10 years ago. It’s really laughable that people are still discussing it. Same as using the slide release button vs manually racking the slide.

X2 on this. But I think the OP is long gone after this dumpster fire of a response he got.

Corey
 
I personally just debured my slide lock from where it locks up that way it’s not a sharp edge, I did this when I first purchased the pistole and now somewhere around ... 15,000 rounds later there were zero sights of wear even before it was cerokoted, and now after ( 5,000rounds or so) not even the cerakote has a mark on it
 
I personally just debured my slide lock from where it locks up that way it’s not a sharp edge, I did this when I first purchased the pistole and now somewhere around ... 15,000 rounds later there were zero sights of wear even before it was cerokoted, and now after ( 5,000rounds or so) not even the cerakote has a mark on it
Looking at the shocking wear on the slide in post #55, I think you did a very wise thing.
 
I've already have validated it myself. And when you have majority of top end guys who have been there done that who use the slide release, I'd consider that a clue.

Anyways I'm done discussing, especially with you. Pretty pathetic when you constantly get banned but you keep coming back. Good VPN you got there.

Also I guess combat pilots who have to press little buttons and switches and even have dual controls one per hand are magicians...

You said it, " top end guys who have been there done that ". These are guys that do it for a living(or did). Guys who shot thousands of rounds a week, possibly daily. With enough training anyone can become ultra proficient with any manual of arms. Do you have the time and resources to dedicate to training? Does the average shooter have the time and resources to dedicate to training? Less than 1% of firearms owners ever attend any level of professional training, so the majority of this discussion is falling on ignorant ears.

Yes, fighter pilots experience high stress and must manipulate buttons. Those buttons are ergonomically placed and like the guys you mentioned, the fighter pilots train every day for just such events. Would you be ok with your surgeon being in a car accident or being robbed at gun point then performing your operation? I doubt it. I suspect it might be because his adrenaline level would be up, likely shaking, lack of mental focus, diminished fine motor skills.

Learn how to insert your mag with enough force that the slides drops itself !

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Dumb way to operate your pistol.

I can offer forward my last comments re Vickers er al.... this was a career for those guys. The chances you will be in a possibly lethal confrontation as a civilian or any type of LE are extremely rare. For those that compare their own perceived performance in a gun fight to Vickers and becoming involved in these affairs on a regular basis.... by all means, use the slide stop lever as a release. Party on. No skin off my nose. A “Tap, Rack” clears 95% of all issues, no matter what they are. When you watch some local IPSC etc, and that guy up there has a foul up, watch him operate everything in a complete panic. Coulda tapped and racked....

Anyway, OP, sorry for being involved in the hijack. I am in agreeance re: your gun. All my Glocks were difficult to operate as slide releases when bought as well. I suspect as they are used that way and wear the slid they will get easier to use.

Thank you CreamySmooth.

Holy crap, the misinformation, dogma and outright lies in this thread. Wow.

To answer the OP’s question, yes, you should be able to depress the slide release lever on an empty mag and close the slide. If it does not work there is something wrong with the mag or gun.

The fine motor skill discussion should have died 10 years ago. It’s really laughable that people are still discussing it. Same as using the slide release button vs manually racking the slide.


What's laughable are those who feel they're in the know who've likely never trained and we know have never had to demonstrate their skills under extreme stress. Only one person in this discussion has real world experience and apparently his knowledge is incorrect, that's laughable.
 
Yup that’s definitely some TDC / kiddX / ab-blaster kinda semantic bull#### right there. How many times does this guy get to come back to CGN and spout his non stop rude ass , opinionated , key board warrior crappolla vitriol ? His mom must be pretty tired of renewing internet servers every eight months so he can have a new ipn to log on with complete with a new introduction story every time. Your a farse dude . Stop already.

Laughable ... indeed .

Everything a forum like this does NOT need. Yet here he is.
 

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