So basically, you were passing judgement on a topic you know nothing about. Your credibility is HUGE!!
new Grizzly -Moose rifle
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So basically, you were passing judgement on a topic you know nothing about. Your credibility is HUGE!!
I have tried numerous rifle/cartridge combo's over the years and brakes are definately something that I do not want or feel that I need on a rifle.
On every heavy recoiling rifle I own I now install Kick-Eez Magnum recoil pads which are made of sorbathane this is the very best recoil pad material on the market today it gives so much reduction in recoil that I do not need a break to make it so I can handle my rifle/cartridge combo's.
My son and I are leaving at the start of next week for a prospecting trip into region 7-28 because I knew I would most likely be encountering grizzlies I applied and was successful in getting another limited entry grizzly draw.
The rifles we are taking for longer shots are...
26" barrel Rem 700 LSS in 375RUM with 300gr Sierra GameKing's & 300gr Nosler Partition's @ 2800fps both shoot to the exact point of aim @ 200 yards and the Sierra's gave a 6" 300 yard 3 shot group yesterday.
26" barrel Rem 700 LSS in 300RUM with 200gr Swift A-Frames @ 3200fps - 3250fps and this load gave my son a 3 shot 4" 300 yard group yesterday.
For when things get close and dirty...
18.5" barrel Marlin 1895GS 45-70 with 525gr Beartooth WLNGC's @ 1650fps or 550gr Jae-Bok Young Crater's @ 1600fps (these loads are tame compared to the 300gr 375RUM loads)
20" barrel Puma M92 454 Casull with 360gr WLNGC's @ 1850fps or 405gr WLNGC's @ 1650fps and 9 will fit in the mag tube...
I also will have my Ruger 4.25" & stock 7.5" SRH's in 454 Casull along due to having an ATC for them these will be loaded with the same rounds as the M92 rifle.
When I was younger I fired rifles and worked in a very loud work place for years without wearing proper hearing protection I am now totally deaf in my left ear and have lost the capability to hear high tones in my right.
I will never again fire a round or be near anyone else that fires a round with out hearing protection and to read anyone promoting shooting without hearing protection especially with any kind of a brake installed I feel should have a foot shoved up their *ss for the ignorance that they are promoting...
I now in cooler weather always wear Peltor Sound Traps and in warmer weather I wear a Custom Protect Ear molded plug in my left ear and one of these http://www.earinc.com/p1-electronic-hunting.php available from the Shooting Edge in my right ear.
On every heavy recoiling rifle I own I now install Kick-Eez Magnum recoil pads which are made of sorbathane this is the very best recoil pad material on the market today it gives so much reduction in recoil that I do not need a break to make it so I can handle my rifle/cartridge combo's.
My son and I are leaving at the start of next week for a prospecting trip into region 7-28 because I knew I would most likely be encountering grizzlies I applied and was successful in getting another limited entry grizzly draw.
The rifles we are taking for longer shots are...
26" barrel Rem 700 LSS in 375RUM with 300gr Sierra GameKing's & 300gr Nosler Partition's @ 2800fps both shoot to the exact point of aim @ 200 yards and the Sierra's gave a 6" 300 yard 3 shot group yesterday.
26" barrel Rem 700 LSS in 300RUM with 200gr Swift A-Frames @ 3200fps - 3250fps and this load gave my son a 3 shot 4" 300 yard group yesterday.
For when things get close and dirty...
18.5" barrel Marlin 1895GS 45-70 with 525gr Beartooth WLNGC's @ 1650fps or 550gr Jae-Bok Young Crater's @ 1600fps (these loads are tame compared to the 300gr 375RUM loads)
20" barrel Puma M92 454 Casull with 360gr WLNGC's @ 1850fps or 405gr WLNGC's @ 1650fps and 9 will fit in the mag tube...
I also will have my Ruger 4.25" & stock 7.5" SRH's in 454 Casull along due to having an ATC for them these will be loaded with the same rounds as the M92 rifle.
When I was younger I fired rifles and worked in a very loud work place for years without wearing proper hearing protection I am now totally deaf in my left ear and have lost the capability to hear high tones in my right.
I will never again fire a round or be near anyone else that fires a round with out hearing protection and to read anyone promoting shooting without hearing protection especially with any kind of a brake installed I feel should have a foot shoved up their *ss for the ignorance that they are promoting...
I now in cooler weather always wear Peltor Sound Traps and in warmer weather I wear a Custom Protect Ear molded plug in my left ear and one of these http://www.earinc.com/p1-electronic-hunting.php available from the Shooting Edge in my right ear.
Ruttinbuck
CGN Regular
Well being one that works in heavy loud environments as well,I bet your work place habits had a lot more to do with your hearing loss than your rifle shooting.Of course it would be different if you said you were an artillery outfit commander.
You are entitled to your opinion as I mine but your "sticking a foot up ones ass" comment just stirs up ####e and seeming how you have'nt been around the corlanes brake you really can't comment on the performance level.I am not a big fan of brakes either,however the two gentlemen who are doing the field research on this particular brake are straight shooters that can and are to be believed with their results.
Sorry about your hearing loss and its guys like yourself that the group working in industry now use as a model for what to protect yourself against.RB
I was at the range a couple weeks ago shooting. A vehicle drove in and a guy and his wife got out. They came over to the bench area and since I was not finished I waited to shoot. When they got there I said to the guy that I was not finished and did he want to get his hearing protection on so I could finish shooting; I only had like 3 shots left. And that guy just looked at me and said he did not use hearing protection, his wife didn't use it either.
So I think they were retarded. They were not from Whitecourt, but from a "local" town where it's a running joke that everybody is inbred... but maybe it's not a joke...
So I think they were retarded. They were not from Whitecourt, but from a "local" town where it's a running joke that everybody is inbred... but maybe it's not a joke...
My hearing loss happened as I actaully stated earlier due to both the loud work place which you haven't a clue what kinds of noises or levels I was exposed too as well as shooting firearms so thanks for giving me a lesson on what could or could not have caused my hearing loss.
Let me clarify my statement it doesn't matter if your firearm has a brake or not if you promote others to shoot said firearm that is any firearm without hearing protection is my issue this could and does contribute to hearing loss of others that are taking this advise.
I have no issues with a brake on anyones firearm if they are intelligent enough not to destroy theirs or anyone elses hearing it is far to great of a loss that can be easily prevented with proper education and equipment.
I also never once commented for or against the quiet brake being discussed in this thread my comments where directed against shooting firearms without hearing protection and those that promote shooting without protection to others.
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Who the hell said anything about shooting ANY rifle - braked or not - without hearing protection??? 
BTW, a good brake does more than take some punishment away from the shooter. A good one will allow the shooter to see the bullet impact through the scope - rather nice when shooting critters with sharp teeth. There is nothing worse than coming out of recoil and wondering where the hell the animal is.
BTW, a good brake does more than take some punishment away from the shooter. A good one will allow the shooter to see the bullet impact through the scope - rather nice when shooting critters with sharp teeth. There is nothing worse than coming out of recoil and wondering where the hell the animal is.
Hi Camp Cook
Man your taking a lot of artillery. Sounds like a lot of fun actually. If going for Grizzly don't you think the 375 Ultra Mag is good enough for everything. I would load twice as many Nosler partitions and leave the Game King home for fun shooting. Have a good trip and good luck.
Dave
Man your taking a lot of artillery. Sounds like a lot of fun actually. If going for Grizzly don't you think the 375 Ultra Mag is good enough for everything. I would load twice as many Nosler partitions and leave the Game King home for fun shooting. Have a good trip and good luck.
Dave
My son is hunting black bear and backing me up on the grizzly if we see one that is big enough so he will be using the 300 RUM and either the 45-70 or 454 so really only 2 rifles each and I am never without a handgun when in remote wilderness areas and like to have a backup with me on every trip I go on.
Taking 16 Gamekings and 34 Partitions...
Ruttinbuck
CGN Regular
Easy man.
I was'nt giving you a lesson on noise levels and hearing loss.Sorry if you toke it that way.Being an active rifle enthusiast and a guy that is exposed to 100+ decibels of noise between 48 and 72 hours a week{with proper protection of course}.I just know how much shooting I would have to do to equal the exposure I get to noise at work.
Boo or Srupp were'nt promoting the irresponsible practice of shooting without hearing protection,just the wonderful performance of the Corlane Brake.
I don't take hearing loss lightly as I am continuely under extreme noise environment,I understand your permanent loss more than you might think.I am very glad industry has learnt from the past,workers such as yourself and we are provided with protection for our hearing.
Have a good hunt RB.
Do you know of any reputable outfitters in BC you can refer me to?not everyone lives in Alberta
BC has an estimated 17,000 grizzly bears compared to Albertas 500-1000
Hi Steven. I was under the impression that they were an endangered species. I apologize if I offended you. Too many tree huggers around me. Can you direct me to any outfitters? Would a 375 Ruger suffice? How many grains? What brand? What scope do you suggest? I wish to get used to the gun on the range like a second skin.Thanks guys first SORRY JASON YUKE I was tired and then tired of introducing a new product that does work..I WILL stop preaching..I DO APPRECIATE THE CONCERN OVER MY HEARING , THANK YOU.
mCKILLAN If you only knew just HOW funny your provost comment was..funniest comment in 30 years of hunting..private joke...
and YES I wish "the other was bigger also "..lol..
I have guided for grizzly professionally and still have a 100% success rate something I am somewhat proud of..I have helped friends and guys on this and 3 other forums get 11 grizzlies..and have personally been in on 20 grizzly harvests..not the most but more than many??I have personally been responsible for many others saftey..both paid and by virtue of going along with those that knew nothing about just how tenacious a grizzly is..yes I could have went with a 300wm..however I chose the .338wm based on those 30 plus years around grizzlies..and IF ya havnt ever hunted or shot a grizzly please ..it is not just an oversized black bear..and you definatly do NOT want to go into the dark west coast forest after a 900 pound yes 900 HUNDRED POUND BEAR...
steven
endangered
I'm not agreeing with this article but this stuff keeps popping up
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1594/is_2_12/ai_72610489
I'm not agreeing with this article but this stuff keeps popping up
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1594/is_2_12/ai_72610489
Okies.
Ok I FINALLY got to use this new Sako .338 on a live animal..it was a moose, one of the two animals this rifle was specifically bought for...I used Barnes TSX in 225 grain..and the distance was over 300 yards on a medium sized animal 4 year old ??
The first shot was into the front quarter behind the shoulder..went between the ribs, animal didnt even flinch..
So second shot was 1 rib away again between the ribs..again moose didnt flinch..
Third shot was in the ear..moose flopped..
The rifle had NO recoil..I was able to stay on target..it was not loud no ringing in my ears..
On examination the first 2 bullets entered several inches apart and left tiny holes in the front right quarter the exit hole was one fairly large hole on the opposite left quarter..and l;eft a fist sized hole.. so through and through shots .
Had I hit ribs on the way in maybe bang flop however no such luck...
The rifle was a joy to shoot...no more recoil than my .270..I actually prefer to shoot the .338 more..
Next week I leave for another west coast LEH grizzly hunt..IF successful I will post photos...
cheers
Steven
The first shot was into the front quarter behind the shoulder..went between the ribs, animal didnt even flinch..
So second shot was 1 rib away again between the ribs..again moose didnt flinch..
Third shot was in the ear..moose flopped..
The rifle had NO recoil..I was able to stay on target..it was not loud no ringing in my ears..
On examination the first 2 bullets entered several inches apart and left tiny holes in the front right quarter the exit hole was one fairly large hole on the opposite left quarter..and l;eft a fist sized hole.. so through and through shots .
Had I hit ribs on the way in maybe bang flop however no such luck...
The rifle was a joy to shoot...no more recoil than my .270..I actually prefer to shoot the .338 more..
Next week I leave for another west coast LEH grizzly hunt..IF successful I will post photos...
cheers
Steven
Pathfinder
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Sounds like he didnt' know he was dead yet....congrads.
Ive been shooting my Sako AV in .338 win mag quite a bit lately and Im starting the think the factory recoil pad...I mean the burgundy/orange rubber puck they installed on the sock will have to be replaced.
I only want to develop one load for this rifle that will drop anything I will ever want hunt, Ive only owned the rifle for about a month so I think the 225 gr. Hornady IL moving at 2800 fps will do until proof of the contrary, I hope to have a favorable report in the next couple of months.
Ive been shooting my Sako AV in .338 win mag quite a bit lately and Im starting the think the factory recoil pad...I mean the burgundy/orange rubber puck they installed on the sock will have to be replaced.
I only want to develop one load for this rifle that will drop anything I will ever want hunt, Ive only owned the rifle for about a month so I think the 225 gr. Hornady IL moving at 2800 fps will do until proof of the contrary, I hope to have a favorable report in the next couple of months.
I haven't used a 338 Win Mag myself, owned a couple but never took game with them. Wondering about your Hornady 225gr load at 2800, why have a 338 Winchester shooting what are basically hot 35 Whelen loads? You should be able to get a 250 up to 2800 in the 338 Winny.
my 24" Whelen did 2800 with factory Remington Safari Grade 225 Trophy Bonded ammo.
225 Partition handloads did 2725.
2800 with a 250 is pushing the 338 WM real hard. Most data sources show the round topping out at 2650 - 2700 fps with 250 grain bullets.
The truth is that the 338 WM shows very little advantage over the 35 Whelen or it's near twin the 338-06. I know I sold my .338 WM after loading for my 338-06 for a few months. As both my M70 .338 WM and my 338-06 have 24" barrels I was as close to comparing "apples to apples" as one could get. With 180 & 200 grain bullets the 2 rounds were virtually identical in velocity. With 225's the larger cartridge showed a very modest 50 - 75 fps gain. It wasn't until I started testing the 250 grain bullets that the 338 WM showed more than a 100 fps advantage.
