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Is it the fact that the rifle has a safety or the type of safety that you have a problem with? If it was less conspicuous would you accept it? You have mentioned personal preference but have not addressed the advantages of not haveing an additional functional safety beyond personal aesthetics .

A person that cannot properly use a firearm with a safety perhaps is not safe owning a firearm.

Its not rocket science it is just one little button . Every time i use my rifle my finger checks the button and pushes off the safety :runaway: .
 
The O-ring trick feels like a bit of a half measure to me, especially if you don't plan on using the safety at all or if the rifle is used primarily as a bear defense gun. The safety still sticks out from the side of the receiver. I have ordered the set screw replacement kit to get rid of the crossbolt safety altogether. I think it's a more elegant solution.
 
Is it the fact that the rifle has a safety or the type of safety that you have a problem with? If it was less conspicuous would you accept it? You have mentioned personal preference but have not addressed the advantages of not haveing an additional functional safety beyond personal aesthetics .
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The question should be Why?, rather than Why Not?

Heck - by your logic, why not two mechanical safeties? Or a key-lock in the stock? Or an integral trigger lock? Why not?

Why does the rifle need an additional safety? It's just one more mechanism that can potentially fail. The beauty of these rifles is their simplicity. As for not addressing the advantages of not having the safety - numerous members have recounted incidents where the crossbolt safety resulted in a lost animal. I'd say removing the un-needed cause of these incidents is a fairly big advantage.
 
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all the problems you guys have described sound like nothing more then user error ?
I have both types ( my first exposed hammer rifle did not have the safety) with the exeption of the looks of the rifle there are more advantages to haveing the extra safety then not.
 
I carry my leverguns in a leather scabbard. When i pull the guidegun out the safety is pressed on by the scabbard. I'd rather eliminate that variable than have to check the safety in a hurried situation. I also new i wasn't in the minority when i was flappin my jaws about these garbage add ons to lever guns. The guidegun has a half #### so what more do you need?? Mommies supervision maybe??:p
 
The variable you have described is the human element for failing to check the safety .
To blame the rifle for this human flaw is akin to Wendy Cukier blameing guns for murders :runaway:
 
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I also new i wasn't in the minority when i was flappin my jaws about these garbage add ons to lever guns. The guidegun has a half #### so what more do you need?? Mommies supervision maybe??:p
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Exactly. I have owned many Marlin lever guns and all the cross bolt safeties have been removed.

Cross bolt safeties suck the big one, period
 
MikeyT, after catching the view out your dining room window in the pics above, I'll reiterate what I said in the other thread in OT...

You live in Paradise,



























YOU JERK! LOL
 
Mikey, Nice rifle and nice rack. Can you post pictures of your sister? A lady like that would be a keeper. I have a winchester big bore in 356 that has a cross bolt safety that was a pain in the butt till I had a gunsmith cut it off flush so that I can engage it using the tip of a 356 cartridge, something I do when I'm unloading it, but it doesn't get pushed in accidently.
 
I had my winchester big bore with me 7 years ago, when a cougar tried to have my 9 year old son for lunch. And Barracuda, there was not enough time to "check the extra safety". The critter's front feet were off the ground and he was on his way when I pulled back the hammer, aimed and pulled the trigger. I didn't hear a click, I heard a very satisfying BOOM. If you like your cross bolt safety, keep it, but I preferr to have kept my son.
 
How is it any different then any other safety?

If there was enough time to pull the hammer back then there was enough time to have your digit check the crossbolt . If a person is not proficient with the funtions of their firearm perhaps they need to work on their skills .

Again it is the user of the firearm and not the firearm that is responsible .

just wondering how many Military rifles that you know of do not have a safety.
even in my day I seem to recall the FN C1's and C2's which we were issued had safety selector switches.

Practice.
Practice.
Practice.

I cannot see how haveing a crossbolt safety makes it any less of a rifle as you folks are alluding to
 
It's always refreshing to hear from someone who hasn't a clue what they're talking about, but you are pushing it. The only reason why my son is the chick magnet he is today and not the poster boy for plastic surgery magazine is because I have spent half my life on a range and am more familiar with that rifle than you are with your ####. So don't tell me about "proficient with the functions of my firearm".
 
How am i pushing it .
Correct me if i am wrong ,You left the crossbolt disengaged and worked the hammer correct?
You made the choice to leave the crossbolt disengaged !
(you kept one safety off and one safety on)
A number of folks would never leave a round in the chamber but never use the safety so if one is in the pipe it is alway hot . Others leave one in the chamber and use a safety .
If you are as proficient with your firearm as you claim to be then i am sure you would not have overlooked how you had set your rifle up and the result would have been the same .

Personal insults and emotional outbursts will not change facts.
 
The main fact being there is no need for two safeties on a lever gun. They have been built for ages without one, why the need for one now? They are perfectly safe without them if you use them properly.

No matter how hard you try, you will never convince me :)

Cross bolt safeties dont make lever guns any safer, they are still firearms and still need to be handled properly at all times no matter how many safety features the gun companies want to add.
 
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BTW, In the areas that I spend lots of time in, pissed off grizzly bears dont seem to want to wait while you stop and check if all the safety features on your rifle are off and ready to fire. It might only take one second to make sure that the cross bolt safety is off, but to me that is one second closer to being put in the ground in a pine box.

When seconds count, lots of extra safety features will put you in the ground much quicker than you ever intended.
 
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