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hey guys
well I ordered a blackhawk holster for my norinco 1911 and it finally arrived yesterday just before I left for work.
after work I right away went down stairs and did my inspection...Love the holster....though doesn't quit fit 100%
It does slide into holster but did notice it not fully locking inplace..
it's not going to fall out but the trigger guard isn't fully locking into place...
any thoughts
should I look at changing guard or leave it?
Glenn.
 
Its a serpa modle....only thing with it is it doesn't click fully when its placed in holster.
I'll keep it for other guns I get .
 
It doesn't click into place at all? Or you just have to really push down hard to get it in? Does it happen to be the model that says "colt 1911 and clones"? I've had problems with that one too and certain pistols not seating properly and clicking in without a forceful push downwards.
 
If it will retain the pistol and allow you to draw the pistol without f*rting around with the 'lock' then I'd call it a win-win. Alternatively, you could do the KevinB mod and remove the lock all together.
 
it does sit in place and yes 1911 and clones....I thought about removing lock but havn't had much time to fiddle with it...
but I have to say it is a nice holster....
celtic1123----you have had same problems? I know with cheaper guns they won't fit some add ons cause well you get what you pay for however still fires like cannon compaired to my M93 lol....anyways it goes into holster fine just doesn't go that extra to engage lock.
when I looked at it the locking devise is stiff cause the trigger guard is pushing on the locking devise, if it only went in just a c hair it would lock, but it does hold the firearm. I've turned upside down and it takes a good shake to drop it out so I think I'll take enefegee advise and look at removing locking pin...
glenn.
 
You might consider it not fitting properly a good reason to return it.
It's a controversial design, as your finger pushing the release can end up right on the trigger as you draw the pistol.

There are no guarantees that you will shoot yourself, but the risk is not worthwhile imo.
The Serpa has been banned from many training courses and competitions.

BladeTech makes a similarly priced holster with good retention, and no lock to press. They're usually sold wherever the Serpa is.
Uncle Mike's is another inexpensive, quality brand. Stay away from Fobus.

I prefer Kydex Concealment holsters from Raven, Armordillo, Bravo etc...



 
Hey Metcalfe..
holly crap...well I'll keep the holster but for another purchase I'm going to make later down the road but now I'm going to look for another holster that WILL fit my Norinco 1911 A1C Commander 4 1/4 barrel.
any help in direction me with a proper fitting holster would be great. ( in the same design hopefully )
Glenn.
 
tazzharm said:
Hey Metcalfe..
holly crap...well I'll keep the holster but for another purchase I'm going to make later down the road but now I'm going to look for another holster that WILL fit my Norinco 1911 A1C Commander 4 1/4 barrel.
any help in direction me with a proper fitting holster would be great. ( in the same design hopefully )
Glenn.
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The point I was making was that the design is flawed. You don't need a holster that puts your finger on the trigger as you draw.
Return/sell the Serpa, and buy one from the companies I mentioned above.

It's your money, and leg. I'm just sharing what I have learned.
 
metcalfe said:
The point I was making was that the design is flawed. You don't need a holster that puts your finger on the trigger as you draw.
Return/sell the Serpa, and buy one from the companies I mentioned above.

It's your money, and leg. I'm just sharing what I have learned.
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Yep yep. SERPA's are sh*t. End of discussion.

TDC
 
Just guessing here...Your trigger guard is square on the Norinco? The holster is most likely designed for the conventional round trigger guard found on most 1911's. Most likely not a fault of the holster at all. You must becareful to order a holster that is compatible with the square trigger guard.
dB
 
Never had a problem using the Serpa with a Sig. Certainly never had my finger on the trigger in any position where I could shoot my own leg. Trigger finger runs along the side of the gun until I bring the gun up (starts to get on the trigger at around 45 degree angle). However I have heard of guys having NDs because they got a piece of clothing (like the strings used to tighten up the bottom of a jacket for example) stuck in the trigger somehow while holstering causing the ND.
 
celtic1123 said:
Never had a problem using the Serpa with a Sig. Certainly never had my finger on the trigger in any position where I could shoot my own leg. Trigger finger runs along the side of the gun until I bring the gun up (starts to get on the trigger at around 45 degree angle). However I have heard of guys having NDs because they got a piece of clothing (like the strings used to tighten up the bottom of a jacket for example) stuck in the trigger somehow while holstering causing the ND.
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There are plenty of documented cases of ND's with SERPA holsters and more than a few top end schools have banned their use. The design is crap, and the craftsmanship about the same. This topic comes up frequently and I ask this question every time. Why would someone want or need a level 2 retention holster if all they do is compete or plink at the range???

TDC
 
TDC said:
There are plenty of documented cases of ND's with SERPA holsters and more than a few top end schools have banned their use. The design is crap, and the craftsmanship about the same. This topic comes up frequently and I ask this question every time. Why would someone want or need a level 2 retention holster if all they do is compete or plink at the range???

TDC
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I don't question why anyone wants more retention, but wonder why the hell they would choose the most poorly thought out style.
The fact is that under stress you can push the button incorrectly and cause much pain. Why bother telling yourself that it won't happen to you. Support a Company that puts more thought in their products.

There are hooded, thumb-drive, twist operated and even combos of those retention type holsters.

I prefer level 1/concealed myself, but would choose any type of level 2+ retention over a serpa.
 
metcalfe said:
I don't question why anyone wants more retention, but wonder why the hell they would choose the most poorly thought out style.
The fact is that under stress you can push the button incorrectly and cause much pain. Why bother telling yourself that it won't happen to you. Support a Company that puts more thought in their products.

There are hooded, thumb-drive, twist operated and even combos of those retention type holsters.

I prefer level 1/concealed myself, but would choose any type of level 2+ retention over a serpa.
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Very valid points metcalfe. The trigger finger should only be used for one task, operating the trigger, not accessing the firearm. A quality leather or kydex level 1 retention holster will be more than adequate for all but the most rigorous movements. Especially those with adjustable retention.

TDC
 
I do enjoy the folks who love to bash the serpa. I have one for my 226 and I enjoy every bit of it, so does one of my team members who runs his 92 with a serpa. If your dumb enough to shoot yourself in the leg when unholstering your firearm....well that should say it all right there. It never has or never will be an issue of the design, for some they like, for some they don't. It's a matter of training. You don't go out, buy a pistol and a holster, and start lightin rounds down range, and doing quick draws like your Chris costa or some other hero. If your not going to practise with it first, and then train with it, what do you expect? The same goes for any piece of kit.
If you choose to run any kind of holster, just make sure you actually practise drawing it dry before loading it up, because it can happen with any holster, not just the serpa.
 
Do explain why several schools have banned it? And explain why the SERPA is the only holster design that requires the TRIGGER finger to release the gun? Aside from the dumb design, it also lends itself to being disabled with debris rendering the pistol useless. You could run a SERPA, but you could buy and run a much better holster like a Safariland or Bladetech.

TDC
 
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