New IPSC BC Doubletap

[Grizz Axxemann]

I think in terms of your personal choice, the 'Mom' test is reasonable ...

The mom test doesn't work for me.... I don't wear camo, but I wear black fatigues when I shoot (lots of pockets, comfy) and my two favorite Tshirts at present are my Zombie Hunter and CGN T-shirts. I wear them to Mom's and she laughs. She gets it. She also gets the fact that I take pride in being a gun owner, and won't hold back in a debate with an anti. Sure, I get looked at like I have an extra head sprouting out of my neck when I wear it to Walmart or McDonald's, but then I explain those who ask about the shirt, and then they think it's cool. I've yet to meet ANYONE who has found either shirt (especially the Zombie Hunter shirt) offensive. maybe it's because they're all sick minded f**cks like me? Naah. But if wearing what *I* want to the range or to an event is going to get me kicked off the line, then I'll take my gun and shoot elsewhere.

 

[Gothmog]

Well Grizz Axxeman, I did say personal choice ... upon reflection, I do plenty of things Mom dosen't approve of and one of them is owning guns.

She's a die hard Liberal.

If we apply the 'Mom' standard to everyone I think we would be asking 'which Mom?' among other things.

 

[stormbringer]

I believe personal freedom should be respected. If someone wants to wear these shirts on there own time, go for it.

Ummm

I do shoot IPSC on my own time

 

[Gothmog]

Originally Posted by DVC1911
I believe personal freedom should be respected. If someone wants to wear these shirts on there own time, go for it.

Ummm

I do shoot IPSC on my own time

LMAO!

... or as we used to say in the old days, "Touche"

 

[stormbringer]

I female point of view, how about Pink Cammo who really wants to look like trees or dirt. Crazy blonde with a gun, and a Glock logo on the hitch .


AK

Actually Trinity's IPSC ensemle is Pink Urban Camo, with BRIGHT pink/black shrit and a Glock 17. She wants to paint the engraving on the glock Pink....

I will have to post a pic when she gets home..

 

[Grizz Axxemann]

Well Grizz Axxeman, I did say personal choice ... upon reflection, I do plenty of things Mom dosen't approve of and one of them is owning guns.

She's a die hard Liberal.

If we apply the 'Mom' standard to everyone I think we would be asking 'which Mom?' among other things.

See... It's just plainly obvious now. My mom's standard should be the national benchmark standard. All my friends say my mom is the coolest mom out there.

But she's still a Mom, and doesn't approve of my guns either. However, she understands that it's my hobby, and my sport. She'd rather see me spending my entertainment fund on ammo over liquor and whores.

My mom voted CPC.

I hereby motion that Mama Grizz (what my friends call my Mom) Standards and Specifications be made the NATIONAL STANDARD!

 

[stormbringer]

Yes this is certainly the most UN PC outfit...
Not the sort of image IPSC wants to portray.

 

[DVC1911]

Stormbringer: "Ummm,I do shoot IPSC on my own time"

You are not on your own time. Most shooting competitions are conducted at private clubs and are governed by organization, IE: IPSC, IDPA, etc, and require that you register to be entered into a competition. You are expected to follow the rules and conduct yourself accordingly. These invitation can be revoked.

So if you are at a club wearing an offense shirt, etc don't be surprised if you are asked to cover up or leave the premises. We also have the freedom to say we do not want to be subjected to your personal choices. You can exercise your right to wear whatever you want off of the premises.

DVC

 

[crapshoot]

No matter what group you choose to identify yourself with you still lack facts. As one member of the public you don't necessarily have complete knowledge of the thoughts of all members of the public, thus all you have is your opinion.

I'm sorry I can't make it clearer that your subjective view does not represent factual knowledge, but I have tried.

Does anyone have complete knowledge, of the the thoughts of all members of the public? What facts we do know is, that the anti-gun lobbies would love to see more negative images of gun owners, that the tragedy at Dawson College and other recent tragedies have made the public more wary of gun owners, that some members of the media loves to invent sensationalist coverage, that these negative images will not help legal law abiding gun owners get back the rights we have been losing over the past 10 years, that the attitude of gun enthusiasts, who don't care about how they are portrayed, is perfect ammo for those who say "see I told you these people are dangerous, they wear slogans that threaten me with harm", that individually, we have talked to many people who may come to understand our sport, but how about the people we can't talk to? How about the people who avoid us because of what we wear? We cannot hope to convince everyone of the true nature of our sport, but I for one, don't want to spread negative images of it.

I would like to know the factual knowledge you have of the general public's image of gun owners and their slogans and camo clothing.

 

[crapshoot]

Yes this is certainly the most UN PC outfit...
Not the sort of image IPSC wants to portray.

Question: I am sure you are joking but, what makes you think that this is the most UN PC outfit?

 

[Slavex]

blah blah blah.

Ok so lets see here, first off, cut the personal attacks and stupidity. Bob that's you I am talking to.
Next if you people that are against the shirts with foul language or the camo outfits or whatnot, put as much effort into promoting the sport as you do deriding those who wear things you don't like, you might actually see more people out shooting. Being judgmental about others choices of dress gets us no where. There really are bigger and more important things to worry about.
oh and as for successful people wearing camo at the range, or out in public, actually there are numbers of them that do. We have a couple very high end surgeons at my club who often do tactical shooting with full camo gear, shoot for fun in the same gear. We have 6 lawyers (of various degrees of success) who do the same. From both groups we have people that often wear camo, or their Zombie shirts out, in public no less, for dinner, movies, golf, you name it.
Painting everyone with one brush is an idiotic thing to do.

 

[Quigley]

Well speaking of painting everyone with the same brush...

I don't like the cammo or the offensive T's...and I certainly do my share to promote the sport.

Respecting the policy (no matter how poorly worded it is) is not deriding anyone...

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Next if you people that are against the shirts with foul language or the camo outfits or whatnot, put as much effort into promoting the sport as you do deriding those who wear things you don't like, you might actually see more people out shooting.

Painting everyone with one brush is an idiotic thing to do.

 

[stormbringer]

You are not on your own time.

Man you need to get your definitions in place.

Unless I work for you, I am most certainly on my own time.

Anything else is just insulting to say the least.

Question: I am sure you are joking but, what makes you think that this is the most UN PC outfit?

Pssst..............camo!!

So if you are at a club wearing an offense shirt, etc don't be surprised if you are asked to cover up or leave the premises. We also have the freedom to say we do not want to be subjected to your personal choices. You can exercise your right to wear whatever you want off of the premises.

DVC

Frankly I find your IDEAS offensive......and trust me they would not be welcome at my club.



RUN RUN RUN!

 

[Canuck44]

So Rob I am an idiot because I believe the non-shooting public will be judgemental when it comes to what shooters wear. Ever go to a job interview dressed like you just came from a mud derby? I don't think so.

Come up to Terrace wearing some T shirt that spells C... or F.... and you might as well save your airfare.

Yes we want to expand our sport and encourage all to shoot but that is not what this discussion is about. It is what the public perceives shooters to be. And like the job interviewer, that person has a perception of dress and what it represents. Like the job interviewer most of the public isn't going to take the time to find out whether you are a nice guy or not.

" Painting everyone with one brush is an idiotic thing to do."

Exactly! But the non-shoooting pulbic doesn't have to answer to anybody or justify their actions if they choose to support anti-gun legislation simply because they perceive shooters to be a bunch of knuckle draggers.

As an aside if you are as cute in that pink camo outfit as the young lady pictured above, by all means where pink camo. I know at least 20 guys that would pay money to see you in the the outfit.

Take Care

Bob

 

[bclinehand]

As an aside if you are as cute in that pink camo outfit as the young lady pictured above, by all means where pink camo. I know at least 20 guys that would pay money to see you in the the outfit.

ROTFLMAO............I am so in for 20 bucks...........lol

But seriously it all comes down to public perception.....one or two guys at the range shooting in (insert your clothing of choice) is a whole different story than a club sponsered, media covered event.....lets see out of 20 competitors at a shoot 19 of which are wearing "street" clothes and one is wearing Camo/t-shirt with a offensive logo....etc who do you think is the media going to focus on..........I agree with Rob that we as shooters need to quit hiding . BUT on the other hand we must also remember that while we are all individuals ,because of recent events and the increased public scrutinythat goes with it, we also represent all shooters as a group .


rather long winded for me but just my .02 cents

 

[crapshoot]

Pssst..............camo!!

Psst ........camo is short for camouflage. From Wikipedia "Camouflage is the method which allows an otherwise visible organism or object to remain indiscernible from the surrounding environment." The only thing she can blend in with is a flock of flamingos, but nothing against her personally. And I doubt anyone would mistake what she is wearing as being military or para-military unless you are thinking of an army run by Austin Powers or something.

 

[DVC1911]

Stormbringer: You just don't get it. It is called respect. Respect for others, for the sport. We might not always agree and that is fine.

You very quick to job on the personal freedom bad wagon, but it is a two way street. If you want your personal freedoms and opinions respected then you will need to respect others, even when they differ from yours.

By the way, these are not my ideas. This is how the world works. It suck, I do not like, by I am a realist. Sticking your head in the sand and ignoring how the world works could have a greater impact on personal freedoms.

DVC

 

[crapshoot]

blah blah blah.

Ok so lets see here, first off, cut the personal attacks and stupidity. Bob that's you I am talking to.
Next if you people that are against the shirts with foul language or the camo outfits or whatnot, put as much effort into promoting the sport as you do deriding those who wear things you don't like, you might actually see more people out shooting. Being judgmental about others choices of dress gets us no where. There really are bigger and more important things to worry about.
oh and as for successful people wearing camo at the range, or out in public, actually there are numbers of them that do. We have a couple very high end surgeons at my club who often do tactical shooting with full camo gear, shoot for fun in the same gear. We have 6 lawyers (of various degrees of success) who do the same. From both groups we have people that often wear camo, or their Zombie shirts out, in public no less, for dinner, movies, golf, you name it.
Painting everyone with one brush is an idiotic thing to do.

Slavex, your right, the passion that runs wild on Gunnutz often gets personal when it doesn't have to. But your statement about successful people? That only goes to show that well educated people can also not care about how they are perceived, or how it may affect how the sport is perceived by others. I am sure that most, seeing these "successful people", don't know that they are successful lawyers and surgeons. Just a bunch of people running around in military gear or wearing unfortunately sloganed t-shirts, unless of course the slogan is preceded with "I am a successful lawyer or high end surgeon"

You for one, should know how first impressions often cloud someone's judgement of you. I think that most, who see you before speaking to you, don't know that there is a just a big teddy bear behind those fangs and body piercings and that for the most part your just a nice guy. (Excuse me if I just busted your cover). Bless the ones who have the courage to approach you and not fear you. LOL

 

[Gothmog]

I would like to know the factual knowledge you have of the general public's image of gun owners and their slogans and camo clothing.

I'm not making/upholding rules placing limits on what others might wear at a match ... as such the burden of the proof is on you to show evidence of the harm you claim results from such actions.

As I have pointed out, and now you appear to agree, this conclusion is solely a matter of opinion or personal bias ....

 

[Slavex]

Crapshoot, you have that right, they don't care how they are perceived, nor should they. If I am interviewing for a job then I obviously I do whatever is necessary (within reason) to ensure I get the job. But shooting is my time, just as is going to the movies, or camping or whatever. I don't give two ####s what someone else thinks of my clothes, gear, fangs or anything else for that matter. Just because people do make judgment calls on how people dress, doesn't mean we should encourage that kind of behavior by trying to change who we are as individuals to meet their standards. That's not how life should be, you can do that if you like, I won't.
Oh and when I interviewed for jobs after going to BCIT, I wore all my piercings, and fangs, strangely enough I had 6 offers from 7 interviews. The one I didn't get an offer from was filled before the interview, but I asked to do the interview anyhow, just for experience.
On a further note, unlike any of you, I have had the joyous pleasure of having been to court due to my opinions and dress and actions. At the end of the hearing, during the judges decision, he tore a strip off of the Crown, and the investigating officer for doing the very thing so many of you not only think is ok, but condone, judging people without actually getting to know them. He sided with me, giving me a very strong decision in my favour. This is just one of the reasons I feel the way I do about these things. Some of you will be thinking I got what I deserved, and in the end I did, I won.
Education is the key, educate people to who we are, all of us, and then we'll see the sport grow. But stay close minded and the shooting sports will continue to dwindle.
Canuck44- yes the idea is idiotic. And it's nice to know that feel it's within your power to tell me, or anyone else what to wear. I'll remember that. I guess I'll make a motion at my club (of which I am prez), that no one over the age of 55 can shoot there. Why? well it makes just as much sense as what you're trying to push on me and others.