New IPSC BC Doubletap
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Unfortunateley for Canuck44Canuck44 said:
this does not leave him much to play with..(at least in my case)......lol
But Back to the point .....I don't really think it matters what you wear when you are shooting on your own ......but when you are representing a group to which you belong I for one would want to make sure I was making the best impression I could on the public.....(consider it a job interview......you wouldn't wear Trinity's pink camo to a buisiness type interview BUT it would be appropriate for a interview at a trendy teen fashion store)
Well having been one of the first people in the country to do IDPA, proper, real IDPA (that meant getting membership and all that stuff, bringing a Yank up here to help out and everything), I can say, without a doubt, that gaming exists in IDPA. Yes it does. Watch any of the top shooters and they are gaming, if they weren't they wouldn't win. If you don't care about winning shoot IPSC tactically, no one will care, you might get some strange looks (I did my first year, but then again I was winning then too).
Skip, I have tats, I have piercings, I have fangs, I wear normal shirts with my sponsors logo's on them. I wear camo pants sometimes, I wear cargo pants other times, hell I might wear speedo's this upcoming year, provided I can find some with belt loops. I've also competed in many many other sports, from MMA (back before it was called that), to road bike racing (looong ago), and a few others. There are always the snobs, you can't get away from them in any competitive sport. Including IPDA (I know cuz I've met them).
Skip, I have tats, I have piercings, I have fangs, I wear normal shirts with my sponsors logo's on them. I wear camo pants sometimes, I wear cargo pants other times, hell I might wear speedo's this upcoming year, provided I can find some with belt loops. I've also competed in many many other sports, from MMA (back before it was called that), to road bike racing (looong ago), and a few others. There are always the snobs, you can't get away from them in any competitive sport. Including IPDA (I know cuz I've met them).
The issue, I don't believe, wasn't whether or not you have them, it was whether you should be allowed to play with them. Mind you, in your case, they're all likely pretty low on the list of reasons why they might want to keep you out...
Sean if the scenario calls for sitting upright in a chair then the shooter starts that way. You are right though when you see the guys pushing the linit then by definition it is gaming. Fortunately I haven't run into that sort of thing yet but if it were to happen the shooter would be asked to assume an upright sitting position. There is no way you can stop guys from trying but I think you would agree it is up to the RO to see that it is kept to a minimum including penalties for failure to do right if it got out of hand.
Like I said I don't see it at our club. The guys are rather close knit bunch and want to win fair and square. MOst of the time the heckling that goes on a you attempt to clear a jam etc sets the mood for the day. Our guys are all out for fun and we do have that.
Slavex you wear spandex next time I am down your way for a shoot and I'll buy you a beer! If they are pink I'll buy you two beers!
Take Care
Bob
Like I said I don't see it at our club. The guys are rather close knit bunch and want to win fair and square. MOst of the time the heckling that goes on a you attempt to clear a jam etc sets the mood for the day. Our guys are all out for fun and we do have that.
Slavex you wear spandex next time I am down your way for a shoot and I'll buy you a beer! If they are pink I'll buy you two beers!
Take Care
Bob
oh good lord Dragoon I don't remember the number it would've been in 2001, and it cost me around $50 USD or something. I also had my club registered, which cost another $150 or $160 USD. did that for 6 months or so, as the requirements that anyone shooting at our club at our weekly matches, must be an IDPA member, and that for all the money I sent, none would ever come back to our club, ever. so we dropped it and told them we were dropping it. got a few nasty emails from them about it too.
Skip said:
I don't recall exactly if I have ever read a thread that deals strictly with IDPA. Is it that IDPA is that unpopular or there are not that many IDPA members that discuss their sport?
Skip said:
Ummm....aren't you a Nutz?.... since your apparently a member of Canadian Gunnutz?
You know, I think I remember a very famous Gunnutz from the Fraser Valley that had some pretty interesting misconceptions about IPSC and the people involved. After some consideration and a few years of shooting IPSC I think he has changed his mind. Maybe not about all of the people but certainly he seems to enjoy himself and I think he is an IPSC RO now. Welcome to the officials ranks! (don't take any revenge ok?)
Let see if he knows who he is and will respond by sharing his experience
Let see if he knows who he is and will respond by sharing his experience
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Something from a newbie.
Grew up with the mindset guns are bad. Dad was a Mountie that brought his service revolver home and left it within reach with two kids in the house, yes, we played with it. Never met my grandfather thanks to the the bullet he put into his head. Not so great intro to firearms.
A couple years ago a friend of mine took me out the the range in Poco and I nervously watched and after he went over the ACT's and PROVE with me numerous times before he put the gun on the bench and said "there you go". I was more than nervous,and picked it up. I was more than cautious and carefully followed the instructions he gave me, loaded it up and put 10 rounds downrange. That was enough for me.
Within a year I bought my first gun. Was against all I was brought up with. It is something that needs to be handled with respect and responsibility. I paid for my membership at Poco, took the Range Users course, signed up for my Black Badge.
In the past year i've spent most of my time out at Poco. I've met all sorts of people. Hunters sighting in their rifles, guys with a gun in each hand pulling the trigger as fast as they can while their girlfriends take pics, people wearing jeans and t's, Diesel, Prada, and camo. There's a bit of everthing up there.
Firearms is what we have in common.
I've been out to Abbotsford once on a friday night. I've met Slavex, complete with fangs. There was another guy there, dressed in black, head to toe, dark (black) sunglasses to match. Later on someone else showed up in jeans and sweater (designer). I admit there were a few thoughts that ran trough my mind about what I saw, and I kept them to myself. By the end of the night, I had a blast. I met some good people all out to have a good time, and thats what we did.
As a newbie I realise that I'm coming into a sport/hobby that has been around for a while. It has rules, rules that I read and felt comfortable with and I decided I wanted to participate.
I've learned that participation is the key, not just being a spectator.
As with many things people will judge on a first impression. I know that all too well based on my occupation. If I let my ignorance run wild, I probably wouldnt have taken the time to participate fully that night in Abbotsford, or head out with the group later or a bite to eat. Fangs, camo, Prada OH MY!
Unfortunately the public who may either not care or know about what we do will, given the opportunity, be swayed by media or opinion based on ignorance. This is a big problem.
We're in Canada. We should be proud of our diversity and the fact that regardless of what someone else may think, we are allowed to have an opinion and can voice it. With anything that we do, we will attract both positive and negative attention from the public. Yes, we should be able to wear what we want and not have our freedom to express ourself stifled, but, as part of a bigger picture, the private clubs (ranges) and the groups we belong to (IPSC / IDPA / PPC etc) we need to be thoughtful of the type of message we're sending to those we participate with and to the public at large. Do we want to be respected? Do we want to grow as a group? Are we more than just a bunch of gun toting rednecks? I'm not saying no to camo, tats, or anything else we chose to do to express who we are as individuals, but more to consider how we express who we are as a group. If we're able to pass the publics' first impression, hopefully they'll take the time to learn that we are a diverse group of people that share the same interest and participate in a fun and safe sport.
We are our own worst enemy.
I fear the day I'm told I can no longer own firearms. I've learned how to handle and store them properly. I've taken courses. I've worked hard to pay for them. I've introduced friends to firearms and how to use them safely. I participate in a safe and fun sport. I am a responsible firearms owner.
I hope that we as individuals and as a group can work towards continued growth in the hobby/sport we chose, complete with our opinions. Its part of who we are.
Be safe, have fun.
c
Grew up with the mindset guns are bad. Dad was a Mountie that brought his service revolver home and left it within reach with two kids in the house, yes, we played with it. Never met my grandfather thanks to the the bullet he put into his head. Not so great intro to firearms.
A couple years ago a friend of mine took me out the the range in Poco and I nervously watched and after he went over the ACT's and PROVE with me numerous times before he put the gun on the bench and said "there you go". I was more than nervous,and picked it up. I was more than cautious and carefully followed the instructions he gave me, loaded it up and put 10 rounds downrange. That was enough for me.
Within a year I bought my first gun. Was against all I was brought up with. It is something that needs to be handled with respect and responsibility. I paid for my membership at Poco, took the Range Users course, signed up for my Black Badge.
In the past year i've spent most of my time out at Poco. I've met all sorts of people. Hunters sighting in their rifles, guys with a gun in each hand pulling the trigger as fast as they can while their girlfriends take pics, people wearing jeans and t's, Diesel, Prada, and camo. There's a bit of everthing up there.
Firearms is what we have in common.
I've been out to Abbotsford once on a friday night. I've met Slavex, complete with fangs. There was another guy there, dressed in black, head to toe, dark (black) sunglasses to match. Later on someone else showed up in jeans and sweater (designer). I admit there were a few thoughts that ran trough my mind about what I saw, and I kept them to myself. By the end of the night, I had a blast. I met some good people all out to have a good time, and thats what we did.
As a newbie I realise that I'm coming into a sport/hobby that has been around for a while. It has rules, rules that I read and felt comfortable with and I decided I wanted to participate.
I've learned that participation is the key, not just being a spectator.
As with many things people will judge on a first impression. I know that all too well based on my occupation. If I let my ignorance run wild, I probably wouldnt have taken the time to participate fully that night in Abbotsford, or head out with the group later or a bite to eat. Fangs, camo, Prada OH MY!
Unfortunately the public who may either not care or know about what we do will, given the opportunity, be swayed by media or opinion based on ignorance. This is a big problem.
We're in Canada. We should be proud of our diversity and the fact that regardless of what someone else may think, we are allowed to have an opinion and can voice it. With anything that we do, we will attract both positive and negative attention from the public. Yes, we should be able to wear what we want and not have our freedom to express ourself stifled, but, as part of a bigger picture, the private clubs (ranges) and the groups we belong to (IPSC / IDPA / PPC etc) we need to be thoughtful of the type of message we're sending to those we participate with and to the public at large. Do we want to be respected? Do we want to grow as a group? Are we more than just a bunch of gun toting rednecks? I'm not saying no to camo, tats, or anything else we chose to do to express who we are as individuals, but more to consider how we express who we are as a group. If we're able to pass the publics' first impression, hopefully they'll take the time to learn that we are a diverse group of people that share the same interest and participate in a fun and safe sport.
We are our own worst enemy.
I fear the day I'm told I can no longer own firearms. I've learned how to handle and store them properly. I've taken courses. I've worked hard to pay for them. I've introduced friends to firearms and how to use them safely. I participate in a safe and fun sport. I am a responsible firearms owner.
I hope that we as individuals and as a group can work towards continued growth in the hobby/sport we chose, complete with our opinions. Its part of who we are.
Be safe, have fun.
c
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Thanks Bob, I understand now, so really there is no "rule against gaming". It's just the environment keeps a bunch of friends from trying it on. I've seen the same thing at L1 IPSC matches. Once you get some big matches, I'm guessing you'll be facing the same challenges as us. Feel free to check in then and we'd be happy to give you some advice on how to keep them to a minimum.Canuck44 said:
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Sean - no there isn't that I am aware of. One major change in the rules in 2005 was the clear definition of what was expected as regards to holsters. Participants were slowly and not so slowly moving to holsters that stood out from the body either by way of a direct offset or by cant not unlike some holsters you see in use in IPSC. Since IDPA is founded on the principle of concealed carry and defensive shooting Wilson did not want the sport to become an equipment race. I think it fair to say that by 2004 IDPA participants were either shooting what they carried (In the US) or moving to holsters that gave some speed advantage. That form of "gaming" came to an end with the 2005 holster rules. At the rules regarding mag holders were also amended where by over 50% of the mag had to be enclosed by the mag holder. Again IDPA was seeinga move to very short speed mag holders that were not the type one would use on the street but rather, if you will, competition mag holders. The rules were amended to get the sport back to it's roots.
I agree on the Club Match observation. I shot for four years at Abbotsford Rod & Gun and we shot on Sunday's a cross between IPSC/IDPA and it was fun and the guys there were terrific. Go back there every chance I get. Since I left I believe Rob has expanded handgun shooting there all for the good. Not sure if we ever knew who finished first or whatever. Not even sure if that was the objective. Judging from the way I shot I had no reason to worry in any event. Never saw Rob in pink spandex though, looking forward to that....
Take Care
Bob
I agree on the Club Match observation. I shot for four years at Abbotsford Rod & Gun and we shot on Sunday's a cross between IPSC/IDPA and it was fun and the guys there were terrific. Go back there every chance I get. Since I left I believe Rob has expanded handgun shooting there all for the good. Not sure if we ever knew who finished first or whatever. Not even sure if that was the objective. Judging from the way I shot I had no reason to worry in any event.
Never saw Rob in pink spandex though, looking forward to that....Take Care
Bob
yup Crapshoot is talking about me again. I'll admit I hated IPSC for a long long time. Why? because of some of the people I'd met from the sport and their attitude toward non IPSC shooters and the guns we chose to shoot. Funny thing, now that I think about it, is that they are some of the people most dead set against camo wearing tattoo loving weirdos wearing their gear to the range. The guy who suckered me into getting into IPSC was a large bald headed tattooed guy, who wears womens reading glasses when he shoots (or at least they look like womens reading glasses). After a season in IPSC I was hooked. I get along with most people now, although apparently there is one person I don't, who wouldn't leave me alone by PM's. but that was easy to deal with.
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I think we need to respect the rights of all people who have an interest in our sport. I don't think that anyone should have the right to tell another what cloths to wear (or not wear), what jewellry to wear (or not wear) or whether or not we should display our tats. We have the right to make those choices for ourselves. But we need to make informed choices. Given the current political climate in Canada, it may not be the most prudent thing to do to advertise ourselves as gun owners and shooters. Certain images conjure up negative reactions from others and we should be congnizant of that effect. If we want this sport to survive attack from the brain dead liberals, then we may want to remember cause and effect. But if I want to dress up as the gun totting redneck bad boy for a day at the range, that's my choice. If I want to wear a shinny purple pimp suit, well that's my choice too. That's what people do in a free society. Why should shooters be any different?
-- Blue Orca
I think we need to respect the rights of all people who have an interest in our sport. I don't think that anyone should have the right to tell another what cloths to wear (or not wear), what jewellry to wear (or not wear) or whether or not we should display our tats. We have the right to make those choices for ourselves. But we need to make informed choices. Given the current political climate in Canada, it may not be the most prudent thing to do to advertise ourselves as gun owners and shooters. Certain images conjure up negative reactions from others and we should be congnizant of that effect. If we want this sport to survive attack from the brain dead liberals, then we may want to remember cause and effect. But if I want to dress up as the gun totting redneck bad boy for a day at the range, that's my choice. If I want to wear a shinny purple pimp suit, well that's my choice too. That's what people do in a free society. Why should shooters be any different?
-- Blue Orca
