NEW NR BLACK RIFLE - Maccabee Defense SLR

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put me down for getting a stripped upper/lower combo. Or an upper/lower just with an 18.6" barrel in 5.56

If the price is right on this, it's gonna be a game-changer. It would be really hard for me to not justify spending a few hundred bucks, then even paying a gunsmith another hundo or so to transfer all the parts from my A4 clone onto this thing so I could take it out to the bush. If the price is right, it's gonne be hard for anyone with access to private shooting property to justify NOT making their AR into not just a bench queen.
 
i will buy a stripped upper/lower only. I'm not making the same mistake twice buying all the junker parts I didn't want that came with the 102.

selling stripped upper/lowers addresses the problem of availability. bcl is spending all this time manufacturing parts many people do not want, and is forcing people to buy them with their rifles. The better option would be to pump out uppers/lowers as quick as possible and take advantage of the surplus of AR10/AR15 parts in the US to make user tailored rifles at a MUCH higher rate. Although there isn't as much money in this option, so you can understand why BCL has chosen to make only complete rifles.

also, 6.5 creedmoor is literally not an option in this action length. so that conversation should stop here. 6.5 grendel is your short action option.
 
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That's a pretty mean hand guard. I wonder if it is made by the same people who make the reveiver?
 
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Yes they need to sell upper and lowers. Add a disclaimer sold as is no warranty if liability is the concern. This will also get them to customers faster. A multi thousand dollar rifle with 6 months lead time will not be a seller.
 
Stripped upper and lower.
Plus 18.5" barrel.
And any other proprietary parts required. (If the pins or springs are different)

You would have a winner.
 
You seem to misunderstand "can afford" vs "willing to pay". Thanks for applying a stereotype to me. I don't smoke, don't drink, and drive a 9 year old diesel SUV that gets 9l/100km. I could buy a new modern varmint every 2 months and not have it effect my financial situation. I still have no plans to buy one.

This is a hobby for me. I put a certain amount of $$ into my hobbies whether I can afford to spend more or not. Paying $4k for a rifle will never be enticing to me.

Like I said, you can make a boutique gun with everything best on it and compete in the upper echelons of guns with modern varmint or you can pump out volume of lower cost but upgradable rifles. That's the whole appeal of ar15s. Personalization. Most guys (as this topic shows) would rather start with a base and let their willingness to spend take it as far they want to go. Let us become those "not minimum wage guy putting my rifle together".

But just like to m10x. I'm not gonna get mad, I just won't buy it.


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Anyone can afford a MV or MH, you may just need to save up a little longer, sell a couple other guns or stop wasting your money on things like cigarettes, alcohol or driving a gas guzzling jacked up pickup to drive back and forth to work in the city.
Not saying I expect or want these rifles to be priced like that but there is a lot more to the rifle ATRS is building than just the price. If you add up the price of the parts that go into it you're looking at $1000-$1500 just in the barrel and trigger alone. Then there is all the rest of the parts and the hand fitting of every rifle during assembly. Not sure about you but I don't want the guy assembling my rifle to be making minimum wage, I want a skilled and experienced guy assembling mine who also has good work ethic and is proud of what they are building, the other end of the spectrum is buying a Norinco or an NEA/BCL where you never know what's going to come out of the box when you get home.
I agree it's not really a practical rifle for every guy in Canada who wants a NR black rifle but you can afford it if you are willing to sacrifice a little or are capable of putting a couple hundred a month away to save up for one.

I agree with what you're saying though, affordable will sell volume, expensive will hurt sales and most people will make excuses and pass by.
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so i just got off the phone whit them compatible whit all ar15 parts upper lower combo only available later on he said can be a year or even a month price is not set but hes trying for under 3000 for complete rifle upper and lower be around 1000 bucks maybe he has a expert from germany helping him make it it over the last 3 years he is said the t slot disin was to enhance fitment of upper and lower to be able to put agustible gas block and whit gas set to off whit a good barrel to have bolt action accuracy

i believe there doing per orders but for more info call them up im gonna keep in touch whit him as to get updates on release of upper and lower and allso your gonna need a good LPK as you need good parts due to it being at very high tolerance match grade im defenetly gonna pic up a few sets for builds when the time comes sry about the spelling BTW
 
So after conversing with the husband of a family friend vising who happens to be a queens cowboy in New Brunswick (Not a patrol guy, but a suit and tie bureaucrat), they are APPARENTLY putting together a dossier on all these new AR style black rifles (like the BCL, Modern Hunter, etc) and how the current laws are preventing them from categorizing them as restricted simply because they are not designed in the same manner as it is outlined in the OIC which makes current AR's restricted, and will be making recommendations to the public safety minister. He seemed pretty frustrated himself when I brought it up. I can only imagine what other, more senior RCMP brass are saying about all these new AR style rifles that are legally (for now) bypassing the OIC that would see them otherwise categorized as restricted.

So my only advise is, KEEP BUYING THESE TYPES OF RIFLES! The current way of thinking (at least the cowboy I talked with) is, they want to get the law changed before "too many" get into the open market. What ever the hell that means, but it gave me motivation to drop some dough on a BCL. Just waiting for the green light from the wife ;)
 
I assume they have the machining equipment already so if I were them I would just pump out a tonne of uppers and lowers. The actual cost of these would be relatively low for them since they're just paying for the aluminium and its likely the owner doing the labour.

Could sell a large volume of these and not waste time and effort of sourcing parts and putting it together. Not sure how much of a margin they get on ar parts.
 
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I assume they have the machining equipment already so if I were them I would just pump out a tonne of uppers and lowers. The actual cost of these would be relatively low for them since they're just paying for the aluminium and its likely the owner doing the labour.

Could sell a large volume of these and not waste time and effort of sourcing parts and putting it together. Not sure how much of a margin they get on ar parts.
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Exactly. Pump out uppers and lowers as quick as possible. Outsource assembly and configuration to dealers and consumers. Allow consumers to spend as much or as little on their rifle as possible, and let them get exactly what they want. Maccabee Defense gets to charge a reasonable premium for manufacture of their proprietary upper and lower to recoup R&D and profit, dealers get some margins on selling/configuring rifles, and most importantly the Canadian shooter gets their rifle as quickly as possible, for as much or as little as they want to pay, and they get exactly what they want.

There is absolutely not point in making a non-restricted AR if you can't use it as an AR. If you're going to sell only complete rifles, you may as well have made it completely proprietary.
 
So business plan:

1 Pump out a tonne of relatively easy to make upper lower combos. Maybe get with a barrel manufacturer and offer a deal - screw it, just a coupon with purchase, not even stock it.

2 Invest tonnes of time making whatever latest super cartridge CGN wants - Oooh shiney I want it in 6,5 super Grendel - resulting in hundreds of SKUs, thousands of hours making sure the gas system and chamber will work with whatever trash steel cased ammo AND shoot sub MOA AND keep the price at whatever us cheapskates feel is not "price gouging".

Maccabee Defense, please for the love of god, go with Plan 1.
 
BioPace said:
So business plan:

1 Pump out a tonne of relatively easy to make upper lower combos. Maybe get with a barrel manufacturer and offer a deal - screw it, just a coupon with purchase, not even stock it.

2 Invest tonnes of time making whatever latest super cartridge CGN wants - Oooh shiney I want it in 6,5 super Grendel - resulting in hundreds of SKUs, thousands of hours making sure the gas system and chamber will work with whatever trash steel cased ammo AND shoot sub MOA AND keep the price at whatever us cheapskates feel is not "price gouging".

Maccabee Defense, please for the love of god, go with Plan 1.
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I'm with you
 
BioPace said:
So business plan:

1 Pump out a tonne of relatively easy to make upper lower combos. Maybe get with a barrel manufacturer and offer a deal - screw it, just a coupon with purchase, not even stock it.

2 Invest tonnes of time making whatever latest super cartridge CGN wants - Oooh shiney I want it in 6,5 super Grendel - resulting in hundreds of SKUs, thousands of hours making sure the gas system and chamber will work with whatever trash steel cased ammo AND shoot sub MOA AND keep the price at whatever us cheapskates feel is not "price gouging".

Maccabee Defense, please for the love of god, go with Plan 1.
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And know that your R&D costs will be made up over time with a LOT of sales if it is priced fairly. Don't try and recoup them in 200 units or less.
 
BioPace said:
So business plan:

1 Pump out a tonne of relatively easy to make upper lower combos. Maybe get with a barrel manufacturer and offer a deal - screw it, just a coupon with purchase, not even stock it.

2 Invest tonnes of time making whatever latest super cartridge CGN wants - Oooh shiney I want it in 6,5 super Grendel - resulting in hundreds of SKUs, thousands of hours making sure the gas system and chamber will work with whatever trash steel cased ammo AND shoot sub MOA AND keep the price at whatever us cheapskates feel is not "price gouging".

Maccabee Defense, please for the love of god, go with Plan 1.
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What about Plan #3?
Don't announce anything officially, and let the rumor mill on CGN ruin a golden opportunity :p
 
Looks like a interesting design with some decent work arounds for being a AR15 variant. I'm interested to see the inside and how the trigger pocket works since the outside looks to be thicker in the trigger area. I wish it had a case deflector and a forward assist.
 
personaguru said:
so i just got off the phone whit them compatible whit all ar15 parts upper lower combo only available later on he said can be a year or even a month price is not set but hes trying for under 3000 for complete rifle upper and lower be around 1000 bucks maybe he has a expert from germany helping him make it it over the last 3 years he is said the t slot disin was to enhance fitment of upper and lower to be able to put agustible gas block and whit gas set to off whit a good barrel to have bolt action accuracy

i believe there doing per orders but for more info call them up im gonna keep in touch whit him as to get updates on release of upper and lower and allso your gonna need a good LPK as you need good parts due to it being at very high tolerance match grade im defenetly gonna pic up a few sets for builds when the time comes sry about the spelling BTW
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So $1k for just the upper/lower combo? No chance of a cheap plinking build I guess.
 
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