NEW NR BLACK RIFLE - Maccabee Defense SLR

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AR15 Upper and Lower sets, made in Canada/America, are being sold for $250 CAD and that includes profit for the manufacturer and retailer.
High end upper and lower sets can be purchased for $500-$800. But usually you are just paying for a name at that point.
$1000 seems pretty high...

Its too bad he wants to compete with ATRS instead of NEA or the average AR15
 
polskadude said:
AR15 Upper and Lower sets, made in Canada/America, are being sold for $250 CAD and that includes profit for the manufacturer and retailer.
High end upper and lower sets can be purchased for $500-$800. But usually you are just paying for a name at that point.
$1000 seems pretty high...

Its too bad he wants to compete with ATRS instead of NEA or the average AR15
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my thoughts exactly LOL and I'm pretty knowledged on material and machining costs these days. If these new NR rifles can't be purchased as stripped uppers and lowers for 500 or less for the set.... I'm most certainly not interested.
hell , maybe it's time for me to crank up my milling machine and beat all these boys at thier own game.........
 
Murray 3-D said:
If that sort of thinking is how you run your businesses; then GOOD, you can STAY OUT of the firearm industry.
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It's a tough choice. Do I stick to clients that are willing to pay for Canadian made quality and innovation? Or do I try to please a bunch of self entitled little cry babies that want everything for nothing?

I rack my brain on that decision every day.
 
Just got an email back when I tried to sign up for the pre-order.

It states that they are only accepting pre-orders for complete rifles right now. That is how they intend to "launch" the rifle. The receiver pre-order will come later.

Disappointing, but not surprising. There is more money to be had in selling complete rifles, but the consumer suffers.

You're forcing people into one configuration, having to scrap or sell the parts they don't want. You reduce your market to only those with $2k to spend, ignoring the significant section of the demand curve made up of consumers ready to spend 6-700 on a future project.

In addition, you severely reduce your production capacity, spending your shop time milling parts that are widely available in the market like barrels, handguards, instead of spending your time milling really the only exclusive thing you are offering, the NR lower and proprietary upper. Really just a failure to see the rate determining step...
 
JaredP said:
Just got an email back when I tried to sign up for the pre-order.

It states that they are only accepting pre-orders for complete rifles right now. That is how they intend to "launch" the rifle. The receiver pre-order will come later.

Disappointing, but not surprising. There is more money to be had in selling complete rifles, but the consumer suffers.

You're forcing people into one configuration, having to scrap or sell the parts they don't want. You reduce your market to only those with $2k to spend, ignoring the significant section of the demand curve made up of consumers ready to spend 6-700 on a future project.

In addition, you severely reduce your production capacity, spending your shop time milling parts that are widely available in the market like barrels, handguards, instead of spending your time milling really the only exclusive thing you are offering, the NR lower and proprietary upper. Really just a failure to see the rate determining step...
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My guess is they don't want to sell stripped recievers at launch for a very simple reason; moron gun owners will cheap out, screw up, and assemble garbage rifles, because they are morons. These homebuilt abortions will possibly have functions issues by no fault of the recievers. They will then go all over the internet pooping on the rifle and the company, because they are morons, destroying the reputation before the company even had a chance.

It takes years to build a reputation. It takes seconds to destroy it.
 
Armedsask said:
My guess is they don't want to sell stripped recievers at launch for a very simple reason; moron gun owners will cheap out, screw up, and assemble garbage rifles, because they are morons. These homebuilt abortions will possibly have functions issues by no fault of the recievers. They will then go all over the internet pooping on the rifle and the company, because they are morons, destroying the reputation before the company even had a chance.

It takes years to build a reputation. It takes seconds to destroy it.
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As opposed to a bunch of guys with limited experience, trying to satisfy every whim of Canadian black rifle owners? I’d rather have the opportunity to be the moron than have a NEA/BCL/ATRS situation; and I’d reckon that those guys all have more experience than MacDef.
 
I think it'll depend on what they use for their complete rifle. If it's inline with the parts I would have used anyways then that's fine but I'm not interested in something where I'll have to replace the parts right away.
 
It would make no sense to sell just uppers and receivers right off the bat. the rifles are built to exacting specs, its a highly engineered firearm built to extremely demanding standards. If you buy one, and want to drop in ar parts, you will be hard pressed to find higher quality parts. that was one of the things they decided right off the bat. they would rather be known for a high quality firearm and sell a decent number than spam out garbage. if you want cheap, go restricted and buy a norinco. If you want top end quality and NR at a decent price then go macdef SLR. right now a decent NR firearm is anywhere from 2000 to 3500.00, If I can get a customisable AR style weapon built with exactly specs and its NR? im down to spend the same as I would on Tavor or Keltec. I would prefer it to be cheaper obvs who wouldnt ? but you get what you pay for
 
I know the guy working on their website as well, they are going to offer a fully customised option through the site, it will be like buying a car with a base model and then all the bells and whistles. I am gonna go for a 7.62x55 variant that I can hunt with and carry in the bush. just bought an elcan spctre on here and cant wait to mount it and give it a go.
 
BioPace said:
As opposed to a bunch of guys with limited experience, trying to satisfy every whim of Canadian black rifle owners? I’d rather have the opportunity to be the moron than have a NEA/BCL/ATRS situation; and I’d reckon that those guys all have more experience than MacDef.
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You don't know their experience. However, if they screw up, it's on them. I'd prefer that over some vocal moron. We all know how vocal morons are and they never admit if they were the reason for the screw up. It's always someone elses fault.
 
kingryan69 said:
I know the guy working on their website as well, they are going to offer a fully customised option through the site, it will be like buying a car with a base model and then all the bells and whistles. I am gonna go for a 7.62x55 variant that I can hunt with and carry in the bush. just bought an elcan spctre on here and cant wait to mount it and give it a go.
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I cant stress enough that if they want to make the best go of this, do not go the custom high end route for factory rifles.
 
Armedsask said:
It's actually a steal. Stick to your chinese garbage, comrade.

When ever I think of diving back into the Canadian firearms market and manufacturing guns, I just turn to CGN to be reminded how absolutely awful Canadian gun owners are. I truly do distain most of you so much.
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1000$ is not a steal for a stripped upper and lower. You can get quality, well-made, solid brand uppers and lowers for less than 500$ the pair. The very cheapest ones (not even Chinese....) are 100$ for a stripped lower. 1000$ is not "a steal" for a milled out piece of aluminum. People saying that 1000$ is too much for stripped receivers are not awful gun owners.
 
Gatehouse said:
Im not in the firearms manufacturing business and I can completley understand where he is coming from. Many guns owners seem to want a race to the bottom.
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quality options are out there. You're free to spend whatever you want on some fancy Daniel Defence AR that costs 3000$. Why are you against there being cheap options? it's not a "race to the bottom" when you still have as many options you could possibly want to have top-quality guns.
 
Well I actually spoke to wyatt at maccabee defense. He told me there still working on the MSRP for the complete rifle.
So there we go. Nothing set in stone yet.
 
fenceline said:
Just dropped as NON RESTRICTED!!!! Just saw it on their Instagram.
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Sweet. I go hunting for a weekend and look what shows up when I'm gone... Next up I hope they make one for the .308 length cartridges. One of these in .260 Rem could become my favorite deer rifle.


Enfield said:
If they get the price right we might have a winner!
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I guess that depends on how you define the 'right' price.


Anpaul said:
They'd sell like mad if they sold the upper and lower receiver as standalone components that could be used as the base of an end user build.
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I agree with that, but letting buyers source all those parts separately stops the manufacturer from making their margin on them as well.


Brian46 said:
I'm going to wait for Wanstalls presale on this
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robab said:
I hope it’s not $3000. I’m going to be crushed.
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I wouldn't expect it to be much less than that if it is all made in Calgary at Canadian manufacturing cost levels.


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D3vin said:
Well I actually spoke to wyatt at maccabee defense. He told me there still working on the MSRP on the complete rifle.
So there we go.
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once we know MSRP for the full rifle, we can probably work backwards to figure out the stripped upper and lower.
 
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