New or used? 9.3x62

riversrest said:
^ I very much doubt that. Nevertheless, it is a nice story....
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Riversrest, every single one of your posts, in this thread, but one (good post, nice rifle) has been negative, condescending and contributed nothing to pool of information, I know its winter, cold and everyone's a bit more squirrely this time of year.
But its show's you, in a very poor light.
 
Because of the cracked stock on the 1600 I would say the Zastava, I owned a stainless Zastava in 9.3x62, shot fine but I never really warmed up to it, rough sloppy action even after some work, I don't usually like the stocks on either and I think after market options on the 1600 stock are hard to find. I went a different way for a 9.3.
 
dgradinaru said:
Sauer 100 barrels are pressed and pinned and could not be replaced unless they go back to the factory. Once the barrel is worn out its pretty much toss away in the garbage type of gun.
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Not to derail the thread further, but realistically how many people are going to shoot a 9.3x62 enough to wear out the barrel to the point where it's no longer accurate enough for hunting ? Just a WAG, but wouldn't that be around 10k rounds ? Seems like the 800$ for a 'throwaway' Sauer vs however much it costs you to rebarrel the alternative (400$ in today's money?) Is a drop in the bucket compared the cost of ammo you'll have to run through it, even assuming you reload. I tip my hat to anyone that gets to shoot/hunt enough for that to be a consideration in their choice of hunting rifle.

Awesome pics btw.
 
dgradinaru said:
Not here to debate or oppose views but several gun writer's came out with the same story since the 100 came out which tells us alot. If you want to believe it's replaceable by all means do, have a good day :)
riversrest said:
I very much doubt that. Nevertheless, it is a nice story....
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Of course! No one expected he would believe it. ;)

Nice catch, Daniel.

Ted
 
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doctor_meltdown said:
Not to derail the thread further, but realistically how many people are going to shoot a 9.3x62 enough to wear out the barrel to the point where it's no longer accurate enough for hunting ? Just a WAG, but wouldn't that be around 10k rounds ? Seems like the 800$ for a 'throwaway' Sauer vs however much it costs you to rebarrel the alternative (400$ in today's money?) Is a drop in the bucket compared the cost of ammo you'll have to run through it, even assuming you reload. I tip my hat to anyone that gets to shoot/hunt enough for that to be a consideration in their choice of hunting rifle.

Awesome pics btw.
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Most big game hunters wont wear out a barrel especially with a cartridge like 9.3x62 but having options is great. Having the ability to change out barrels to different cartridges is a big plus, especially if a specific rifle becomes sentimental. I have a mauser rifle that is getting near the end of its barrel life. Still shoots good but the rifling/throat is wearing out. 10 years ago the barrel was in good condition, at this point i would say its fair. I have a new barrel sitting around waiting to be threaded on.
 
dgradinaru said:
Most big game hunters wont wear out a barrel especially with a cartridge like 9.3x62 but having options is great. Having the ability to change out barrels to different cartridges is a big plus, especially if a specific rifle becomes sentimental. I have a mauser rifle that is getting near the end of its barrel life. Still shoots good but the rifling/throat is wearing out. 10 years ago the barrel was in good condition, at this point i would say its fair. I have a new barrel sitting around waiting to be threaded on.
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Well put and I'm one of that group,;)so far. However, with that possible need at some later date plus the consideration of change out to another calibre, you are correct, it is a big plus.
 
Isobar1999 said:
So a guy asks for advice about a rifle. I have owned said rifle , found it to be lacking in all areas for the price , recommend him not buy that rifle and save for a better one, question the validity of advice given here from some others who appear to have little to no actual experience with said rifle. All to help him not go through the expense I did and I’m the “dog with a bone”?
This is the exact problem with this forum. It’s full of blowhards giving advice based on zero or very limited actual experience.
This is a persons money they are spending , if you don’t have relevant experience and actual knowledge of the rifles asked about then don’t influence the guy one way or another.
Personally I know how it sucks to buy something , be dissatisfied then have to go through the bull$hit of getting what you actually should have got in the first place.
So someone with experience in the exact question topic offers advice he is considered a “dog with a bone”. How many people have wasted their hard earned through poor advice in this forum ?
I’ll just shut up then and let the internet benchrest experts help this guy waste his money on a piece of $hit rifle that will no doubt let him down at the worst possible time.
Good luck OP , with advice like this forum gives you , you just can’t go wrong lololololol
One last thing , the reason I’m pushing on the Sauer is that it is pretty much the only new rifle you can get in 9.3x62 that is readily available and relatively in the same price range as the zastava. Anyway good luck with your decision, if you do go with a zastava I hope you get a good one. All the best and peace out.
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i do own 2 9.3x62 bought from traadex. one left handed regular one wearing now a boyds laminated stock and a 9.3x62 stainless one ... and i do own over 7 ruger but none in 9.3x62 ...

sorry for the poor advices given but that is mine.
 
dgradinaru said:
Sauer 100 barrels are pressed and pinned and could not be replaced unless they go back to the factory. Once the barrel is worn out its pretty much toss away in the garbage type of gun.
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Well then all these reviews are wrong and anyone who actally owns one saying the barrels are threaded are wrong too?

h ttps://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/the-everyman-rifle-sauers-100-embodies-refinement-affordability-and-accuracy/247599

h ttps://www.rifleshootermagazine.co.uk/gun-tests/sauer-100-classic-xt-in-308-win-in-depth-rifle-review-1-4841991
 
riversrest said:
Well then all these reviews are wrong and anyone who actally owns one saying the barrels are threaded are wrong too?

h ttps://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/the-everyman-rifle-sauers-100-embodies-refinement-affordability-and-accuracy/247599

h ttps://www.rifleshootermagazine.co.uk/gun-tests/sauer-100-classic-xt-in-308-win-in-depth-rifle-review-1-4841991
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The truth shall set you free :) :) Pressfit. If your not aware the mauser m18, mauser m12, and the sauer 101 are all press fit aswell. All made by the same company under different banners/logo's.

https://dailycaller.com/2018/07/20/gun-test-sauer-100-classic-xt-rifle/

This finely crafted rifle offers several unique and innovative design features, starting with the barrel and action. While the Sauer barrel is cold-hammer forged and free-floated, the way in which it’s bedded and mated with the receiver is somewhat non-traditional. Rather than securing the three massive lugs on the bolt inside receiver recesses, the lug recesses on the Sauer are milled into the breach of the barrel, which is heat shrunk to the receiver. This design eliminates the possibility of one day replacing the barrel, but that’s a non-factor for most hunters, as it takes a lot of shooting to burn out the barrel on a standard-calibre rifle.
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https://www.outdoorcanada.ca/gun-review-testing-the-affordable-new-sauer-classic-xt/
A 22″, sporter-contour, cold-hammer-forged barrel is press-fit to the rifle’s round receiver, a method that differs from the typical threading process seen on most bolt-action rifles.
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https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2014/3/20/german-resurgence-mauser-12-and-sauer-101
Those fine barrels are press-fit into the actions, and the bolt’s locking lugs fit into recesses in the rear of the barrel itself, instead of the action.
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And a link that the 101 is pressfit aswell, enjoy the read :)

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2013/03/new-sauer-101-hunting-rifle-from-j-p-sauer-sohn/

Sauer boasts that the barrel is heat-pressed into the receiver, with the bolt locking up directly into the barrel. That may sound good, but in reality, this engineering solution makes it extremely difficult to fit a new after-market barrel to the gun. We talked with two highly-respected custom gunsmiths. Both agreed that it would be “very difficult to find a smith who would tackle the task of re-barreling this gun (starting with a barrel blank).” One smith observed that “machining the lug recesses directly into the barrel is not a procedure that 95% of gunsmiths are capable of doing.” So, when your Sauer 101 barrel wears out (or if you want to change calibers), presumably you have to send the gun back to the factory.
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dgradinaru said:
The truth shall set you free :) :) Pressfit. If your not aware the mauser m18, mauser m12, and the sauer 101 are all press fit aswell. All made by the same company under different banners/logo's.

https://dailycaller.com/2018/07/20/gun-test-sauer-100-classic-xt-rifle/



https://www.outdoorcanada.ca/gun-review-testing-the-affordable-new-sauer-classic-xt/


https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2014/3/20/german-resurgence-mauser-12-and-sauer-101


And a link that the 101 is pressfit aswell, enjoy the read :)

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2013/03/new-sauer-101-hunting-rifle-from-j-p-sauer-sohn/
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Daniel, quicker and easier to just put him on ignore... you are wasting time an energy on someone not worth it.
 
riversrest said:
Here is actually a thread on barrel removal on the M18. I guess they press fit with threads, lol.

h ttps://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/mauser-m18-barrel-specs.6988359/

The Sauer 100 is having a threaded barrel too.
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Interesting to see that the m18 has a threaded barrel and stand corrected. If the 100 is threaded i wonder why Sauer wont correct the false claim, that is, if what you say is true. I myself doubt it since there seems to be overwhelming information contradicting your opinion.
 
I would sooner spend $700 on a brand new Zastava than $700 on a used Husky with a cracked stock. I was also looking at the used 9.3x62 rifles from Tradex and 90% of the inventory was advertised with stocks cracked behind the tang.

That being said though I also agree that a new Sauer 100 would be a better choice for the money. Awesome adjustable trigger right out of the box, smooth 60 degree bolt throw, removable magazine, ten year warranty and 1 moa accuracy guarantee. Prophet River has a Sauer 100 classic xt synthetic in stock right now in 9.3x62 for $799. Yes there are no iron sights but still a bargain IMO none the less.

Also there has been confusion whether the Sauer 100 has a threaded or press fit barrel. I own a a Sauer 100 xt in 6.5x55 and mine is clearly a threaded barrel. I can see the barrel threads through the front scope base mounting hole in the top of the action. I believe it was possibly the 101 model that was press fit causing the confusion or possibly some of the early 100 production models may have been press fit then later made with threaded barrels.
 
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