New Product Alert: Ruger PC Carbine barrels

So I've been following This Thread religiously and it's getting to the point where both heads are starting to hurt one with excitement one with a bit of confusion so I thought I'd just give Alberta tactical call. First ever interaction with them had the pleasure of speaking to Sean. Holy crap man what amazing customer service. Took the time to explain everything to me even help me build the rifle into a shopping cart will be ordering in the next couple of days. Thanks a lot Sean and thank you to all of you who've contributed to this thread with viable information
 
island4x4 said:
Shaun, any thought on a .40sw conversion?
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Lots of thoughts, and it won't be happening. Being a direct blow back operating system, the weight of the bolt has to be proportionate to the kinetic energy created by the cartridge. Basically that weight needs to be adequate that it doesn't move back until after the 'firing' has taken place, then move back adequately to cycle. If it's too light, and I haven't tested with the existing bolt, but if it's too light, the bolt comes back while it's still firing which will give you some issues.

Sorry.

Basically we dug a little bit into it, and what we were seeing was enough that we just dropped the idea.
 
Looking for thoughts. I noticed this on another thread. The example being. A RPAL holder owns a Ruger PC Carbine takedown, NR. Buys a short barrel for it (also takedown). Transports to range in NR format, “tests” short barrel, converts back to NR format and goes home. The logic being you have 30 days to register it as restricted but it never stays in restricted configuration outside of the range. When at the range you are always inside a 30 day window, that I guess is resetting after you are done your test and decide to to change. Rinse and repeat. So this opens a whole serious of questions. But the most fundamental question would be……at what point does being in possession of a short barrel (for said PC Carbine) require that it be then registered as restricted? The example I mention above makes it sound like you could technically have the best of both worlds. Seems way to close (or over) the line to me but I really don’t know. A twist to that would be transporting while broken down, with both barrels, what is it then? What about borrowing a short barrel (at the range)?
 
You can only possess a restricted firearm at your residence or at a place authorized by the CFO through an ATT. An ATT, even those attached to your license to go to the range, has to specify the firearms that are authorized for transport as per regulation. If they don’t know about the restricted rifle because it hasn’t been registered yet, it won’t be covered by your ATT, therefore any possession outside your home is a problem.

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/f-11.6/page-2.html#h-223301

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-206/page-1.html#h-1019708
 
I've edited my post so I don't mislead people with what I had written. I think Paul_1982 is correct and as he says, the legislation I pasted in below refers to firearms on registration certificates, not converting NR to R and back again. Even though I read the law for my job, sometimes the mind sees what it wants to see.

Section 4(2) (a) and (b) in the below link:
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-201/FullText.html

Cheers!
 
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That piece of legislation doesn’t apply to your non-restricted firearm. The 30 day condition is part of a registration certificate that already exists. Not for a non-restricted firearm.

When you put the short barrel on, you possess a restricted firearm. You can only possess a restricted firearm at your place of residence or at a place authorized by the CFO (through an ATT). Your ATT only covers restricted firearms registered in your name.
 
Paul_1982 said:
That piece of legislation doesn’t apply to your non-restricted firearm. The 30 day condition is part of a registration certificate that already exists. Not for a non-restricted firearm.

When you put the short barrel on, you possess a restricted firearm. You can only possess a restricted firearm at your place of residence or at a place authorized by the CFO (through an ATT). Your ATT only covers restricted firearms registered in your name.
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Trying to learn here. If that legislation does not apply to NR then what legislation does? What legislation covers converting NR to R? The other thing the previous poster was saying is that you are not transporting a restricted firearm. In this example the PC takedown is always stored and transported as a NR. My take on the logic of this is that only at the range would the short barrel be “tested”. Once the test is complete, firearm is back to original NR format for transport and storage. Therefore it is never a permanent change to R. Not saying I would have the guts to do this but I can see how the logic of the legality is interesting.
 
Dnu69 said:
Trying to learn here. If that legislation does not apply to NR then what legislation does? What legislation covers converting NR to R? The other thing the previous poster was saying is that you are not transporting a restricted firearm. In this example the PC takedown is always stored and transported as a NR. My take on the logic of this is that only at the range would the short barrel be “tested”. Once the test is complete, firearm is back to original NR format for transport and storage. Therefore it is never a permanent change to R. Not saying I would have the guts to do this but I can see how the logic of the legality is interesting.
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It doesn’t matter if it’s a permanent change or just to shoot some rounds. When you put the short barrel on the receiver the firearm is restricted. The legislation talking about 30 days only applies to already registered firearms with registration certificates.

I don’t think there’s a specific law saying you have X number of days to register the restricted firearm, I can only guess they would apply reasonable time.

Either way, the issue is the possession of a restricted firearm at a place not authorized by law or an ATT. Even if it’s only for a minute.
 
Your legal debate is cool and all that, but now let's be serious: if confronted, this issue would be taken to court and knowing what we know of the justice system in Canada and the opinion of most judges on the topic of gun ownership what do you think would really happen?
 
Painkillers said:
Help me out please, why would anyone want to turn their NR to a Restricted firearm?
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Lots of reasons not to, but this particular thread started as a “short barrel” option for the PC takedown. I only ever shoot at a range, generally have restricted with me anyway, and personally like a SBR, so why not. I don’t compete but for some that do a SBR can be faster for transitions etc. For me personally R or NR has very little impact so I am intrigued by the short barrel option.
 
Dnu69 said:
Lots of reasons not to, but this particular thread started as a “short barrel” option for the PC takedown. I only ever shoot at a range, generally have restricted with me anyway, and personally like a SBR, so why not. I don’t compete but for some that do a SBR can be faster for transitions etc. For me personally R or NR has very little impact so I am intrigued by the short barrel option.
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Thanks.
 
The option to have a short pc9 is a great thing for someone who only goes to the range and also those who like to shoot competitive .
Another rival to say the fx-9 or raven9. As fair priced as these Rugers are, one could buy two Ruger PC9s! The amount of stock options in combination with barrel options opens the door of possibilities.
 
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