New Remington Rifle: Remington 783

Some of the posts here just make you go WTF..... no one is forcing anyone to buy this new rifle, for those that want a high end piece of history or a heirloom to pass down through future generations, those options are still there. Buy what you will for what ever reason, you don't have to justify your personal choices with anyone else. If you're satisfied that should be the end of it!
When one sees forum members referring to potential purchasers of the new remignton model 783 as f*#@tards, it make me go OH yeah, thanks for sharing your personal, worthless, unfounded, and asinine view.
cheers
 
The problem I see with all these "budget" rifles is that it follows the rest of the merchandise we see here these days. At one time when you bought a steel Stanley thermos, it was a quality North American made product. Now they are made in china and don't last a year. Go into any Walmart and find good quality products. This new offering by Remington is just more proof that our willingness to buy cheaply manufactured garbage over quality built products is destroying our economy and product quality.

Don't think for a minute that the quality arms that are available now will be available in the future, we will buy crap products until that is all there is left to buy. I for one will resist this trend, as futile as it may be.
 
Cleftwynd said:
The problem I see with all these "budget" rifles is that it follows the rest of the merchandise we see here these days. At one time when you bought a steel Stanley thermos, it was a quality North American made product. Now they are made in china and don't last a year. Go into any Walmart and find good quality products. This new offering by Remington is just more proof that our willingness to buy cheaply manufactured garbage over quality built products is destroying our economy and product quality.

Don't think for a minute that the quality arms that are available now will be available in the future, we will buy crap products until that is all there is left to buy. I for one will resist this trend, as futile as it may be.
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When I go into Walmart, I see plenty of made in China, Bangladesh, India, Taiwan, Chile.....
 
This isn`t Remingtons first dance with economy rifles. Can you say 788, shot just as good as a 700 and was a lot cheaper, yes it had some limitaions but still good rifles. I still have one in 222 that will outshoot more expensive rifles. I must say i don`t care for the looks of this new Rem.
 
dead meat said:
This isn`t Remingtons first dance with economy rifles. Can you say 788, shot just as good as a 700 and was a lot cheaper, yes it had some limitaions but still good rifles. I still have one in 222 that will outshoot more expensive rifles. I must say i don`t care for the looks of this new Rem.
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The 788 is the silent classic.......and always will be one.........this latest offering from Remington is pure admittance to defeat.........

The main point missed with all of these entry level offerings is that they will enable someone to feed their family, and also introduce new members to the sport, we all started with our first rifle at some point....and some will admit to what their first rifle was and some never will, but regardless 1 new owner/shooter on our side is 1 less then the others have on their side.........
 
yodave said:
The 788 is the silent classic.......and always will be one.........this latest offering from Remington is pure admittance to defeat......... The main point missed with all of these entry level offerings is that they will enable someone to feed their family, and also introduce new members to the sport, we all started with our first rifle at some point....and some will admit to what their first rifle was and some never will, but regardless 1 new owner/shooter on our side is 1 less then the others have on their side.........
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The main point most miss is that there are quality firearms available for equal or less $$ and people still buy this junk. If they need one to feed themselves, a used firearm of good quality is a much better option.
 
Cleftwynd said:
The main point most miss is that there are quality firearms available for equal or less $$ and people still buy this junk. If they need one to feed themselves, a used firearm of good quality is a much better option.
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Not according to prices outlined in the EE these days...............
 
The point being missed is that these inexpensive rifles are quite often as accurate as rifles costing 3 or 4 times as much....as to people saying they will not survive long term usage as compared to more expensive rifles, will I've got a 30 year old 788 thats in every bit as good of shape as any of my run of the mill Remington 700 bdl's, winchesters, brownings or rugers. If you don't think they (cheap rifles) will take abuse you should review Jerry's (Mystic Precision) savage axis torture test. Try that with a one off full blown custom and let us all know the results.
The hunting and shooting sport needs rifles that have acceptable accuracy and reliability to be priced low enough, to attract new comers if we want this sport to survive....these rifles may not be of Mark V, Cooper, or Sako fit and finish but chances are they will still be hunting and taking game 50 years into the future and for 450 dollars, that sounds like a pretty good deal to me!
Happy hunting.
 
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yodave said:
Not according to prices outlined in the EE these days...............
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And how many people in Canada that are looking for a used rifle come here to the EE, .05%? Most likely if they need one to feed themselves its going to come from a neighbour or LGS.

Those buying on the EE or new, aren't those in need, and can afford to buy something else, or at least wait until they can. WANT is not the same as need. How many people buy this crap then stick good optics on them, other accessories, cases, whatever. We make our own choices.
 
Cleftwynd said:
The main point most miss is that there are quality firearms available for equal or less $$ and people still buy this junk. If they need one to feed themselves, a used firearm of good quality is a much better option.
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So how do you know it's junk? Not a single rifle is available to be handled and reviewed. Yes, there are few writers doing their thing but no consumer has played with them yet afaik.

The assumption is that cheap equals junk. Given my recent beating of a Savage Axis, I wouldn't jump to that conclusion so fast.

The Ruger American has stunned me with how good it is in appearance, fit and finish. Cycling it has been a joy. I hope to get some range time with it in the coming weeks and will complete the review I started a couple of months back. This thing runs better then many factory rifles costing 2 times the cost. If you haven't played with one, give it a try.

IF, and this is a big IF, Rem has taken a page out of the Savage play book, engineered and tooled up properly, there is little reason for me to doubt that their new clone will work just fine. But I fear the issue will not be the engineering but the QC on the floor which unfortunately, has not been a Rem strong point at this time.

BETTER manf process and streamlining of parts keeps costs down without sacrificing performance. My new computer is almost 1/2 what my last computer cost and it kicks its butt in every single parameter including size and weight

Junk is when the same process is done poorly. Better is when the process is changed to improve the end results AT a lower manf cost.
Jerry
 
Budget rifles go back many many years..........some excelled into mainstream choices and others fell off the map...........

some rifles were all built in the same plant, stamped with different manuafactures names and sold as different models.....all shot equally well and the price difference was huge. Howa/weatherby/Smith & Wesson, all interchangeable as they were all built in Japan under contract............
 
Cleftwynd said:
The problem I see with all these "budget" rifles is that it follows the rest of the merchandise we see here these days. At one time when you bought a steel Stanley thermos, it was a quality North American made product. Now they are made in china and don't last a year. Go into any Walmart and find good quality products. This new offering by Remington is just more proof that our willingness to buy cheaply manufactured garbage over quality built products is destroying our economy and product quality.

Don't think for a minute that the quality arms that are available now will be available in the future, we will buy crap products until that is all there is left to buy. I for one will resist this trend, as futile as it may be.
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I like a bargain as well as the next guy and in reality, get sucked in to buying stuff I don't really need. I look at my jammed gun safes and all the rifles I haven't even shot in years and ask myself what I'm trying to accomplish.

In hindsight, I think it would have been smarter to buy fewer, buy carefully and buy quality. Maybe I'd only have 6-8 rifles but they would all be good ones and would all be used. A friend of mine has been going through this exercise over the past few years. He has been giving some of his rifles to his boys, and selling or trading off the stuff that is surplus to his true needs and has been upgrading to rifles of higher quality. He is down to 9 rifles now but is hunting for one more specific piece and that will be where he intends to hold. There is some good sense in that.
 
If you buy good quality optics and mount them on a inexpensive rifle, it will not deminish the value or quality of that optic.
I'll throw out a question....if you only had 2150 dollar to spend, which would you rather have; a) a 2000.00 dollar rifle capable of 1 inch or less groups and a 150.00 dollar budget scope or b) a 450.00 dollar rifle capable of 1 inch or less groups and a 1700.00 scope?
The way I look at it, no matter know accurate the rifle is...you can't hit what you can't see.
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nomad 68 said:
This really makes no sense to me.Not that i'm against the rifle,but why introduce a rifle to compete against your affiliate company(marlin) and the very popular and accurate x7 series?
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I believe its called defeat.........I mean a new chapter in a companies long lasting legacy............
 
Why is it that Ruger introduced a plastic entry level rifle and everyone went oooooo....aaahhhh, yet when Rem introduces a virtually identicle rifle every body goes....JUNK. I would be willing to bet this new entry shoots better than all the other entry level junk out there. If this rifle is cheap enough then it will find a market, obviously Rems research said that this is a huge market and they need to get their share to remain viable as a company. The fact they had to go to the Savage style trigger and barrel nut to reduce manufacturing costs just tells me that Savage have always been cheap junk. Having said that, the barrel nut concept of quick change barrels and simple headspacing has been around long before Savage used it on their bolt action rifles. IT IS NOT A SAVAGE INVENTION !!!
All this was said of the 788 and its sheet metal trigger guard and rattly clip, it's cheap hardwood stock and it's weird rear locking system, and yet today, some 50 years later, it seems to be some sort of firearms ICON. Don't know why, but just lately one was for sale with a scope for 900 bucks, Rem offered them in the late 60's with a scope for $89.95, saw the catalog with my own eyes.
Rem has had a couple duds lately in the entry level market but let's give this one a chance and see how it shoots and performs before we throw it in the trash can.
I do not believe that having a full line of entry level firearms in any way hurts the high end firearms market. You are not appealing to the same demographics at all. I would never buy an entry level rifle, but have seen 100 posts on here with people looking for a good shooting rifle under 400 bucks or so. These are not gun freaks they just want a good reliable rifle to hunt with and don't want to buy some one elses worn out or bubba'd junk. And they don't have several thousand bucks to spare for hunting equipment.
We CGNers have to realize that we don't represent the average Joe hunter, who is not a CGNer and has probably never heard of CGN. When I started out at 14 I got a Lee Enfield for $19.95 at MacCleods and off I went, that rifle never drew blood for me, but many people today still use this combo with great success. There is nothing fancy or outstanding with the old LE and I would rather hunt with the new offering from Rem in a 30-06 than any LE ever made. The point being that there will always be a market for inexpensive rifles for first timers and low income level hunters, and I for one applaud the gun makers for keeping this market well supplied. Cheap rifles of seviceable quality allow more sportsmen access, and strengthens the cause.

It just seems to me that Remington bashing has become a professional sport here on CGN!!!
 
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hawk-i said:
The point being missed is that these inexpensive rifles are quite often as accurate as rifles costing 3 or 4 times as much....as to people saying they will not survive long term usage as compared to more expensive rifles, will I've got a 30 year old 788 thats in every bit as good of shape as any of my run of the mill Remington 700 bdl's, winchesters, brownings or rugers. If you don't think they (cheap rifles) will take abuse you should review Jerry's (Mystic Precision) savage axis torture test. Try that with a one off full blown custom and let us all know the results.
The hunting and shooting sport needs rifles that have acceptable accuracy and reliability to be priced low enough, to attract new comers if we want this sport to survive....these rifles may not be of Mark V, Cooper, or Sako fit and finish but chances are they will still be hunting and taking game 50 years into the future and for 450 dollars, that sounds like a pretty good deal to me!
Happy hunting.
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Now this is what i'm talking about
 
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