New Remington to be announced at SHOT Show...

Hahaha I'm laughing even more now that I've read up a bit online.

I'm allowed to laugh too because I just bought a Remington 700 and I'm waiting for it to arrive ... maybe it'll be back to good old Savage before long. It's always funny when a company doesn't change a product in decades (aka the 700 action) all while saying that it's the best, most reliable, blah blah blah then does an about face and incorporates proprietary versions of all the successful features of the competition. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it Savage that popularized the barrel nut? And came up with the Accutrigger? And the floating bolt head?

Oh swell, I guess remington can simply call it progress.

If I had to improve on a Savage I would simply make the action and trigger feel "tighter". I never liked how much you could jiggle the bolt or push the safety from side to side.

If I don't like the Remington then it will be back to Savage for cheap rifles and more Tikkas for expensive rifles.
 
Hotwheels81 said:
....but to answer your question....

None really... There is no need as they are perfect for what they are.

You should ask why so many company's make aftermarket remm 700 actions?..
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Maybe because it's a universally accepted design that has a strong following and a reputation for durability and dependability that few can match. Not to mention that there's an extensive aftermarket willing and able to meet the needs of consumers willing to buy the product?

I'm sure Remington is trying to make a cheap rifle to compete with the likes of the Axis and Ruger American. There's no argument they weren't able to achieve success with their prior 710/770 models.

I'm not a Savage fan though I've owned (4) of their latest models. I've tried to like them but they are generally lacking in a lot of respects and I've decided that I'm no longer willing to spend premium money on firearms that were originally considered good values simply because their price point compensated for their lack of overall quality - yet their prices have risen sharply to the point where they no longer represent the value they once did.

Incidently, I feel the same towards Remmington. Their current catalogue is filled with models that are full of gimmicks that they are trying to charge absolutely obscene sums of money for.

Personally, I think the current retail price of +$600 is waaaaaaay too much for a SPS or comparable Savage.

I read the article on the 783 and it sounds like a hodge-podge of different designs. There's nothing wrong with that if it meets the needs of the consumer. Personally, I don't care for Accutriggers or their knock-offs. I think the trigger guard is attrocious and doesn't provide enough room - especially for those using gloves. Look how close the bottom of the guard is in relation to the trigger. I think the 783's bolt handle knob is too small and appears too flat to be of use. Barrel nut? Meh...Couldn't care one way or another. I think the Sako/AR extractor is interesting enough though.

Hard to say for sure without seeing one in person but those are just a few initial thoughts.
 
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Savage design, Modern day Remington quality... What could go wrong? IMO they couldn't design an original thought. The 700 was an excellent mass produced rifle in it's day. That got over priced, old and over marketed with no real improvements over the decades. Never mind rolling, Eliphalet Remington must be digging his way out of the grave by now!
 
lejarretnoir said:
I'm still laughing about this. Remington comes out with their Savage version.
Is it the end of the Rem vs Savage discussions?

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we know who is on top now..........

Smith and Wesson is now trying to ride the coat tails of remington and remington is now riding the coat tails of savage.......

its the dawning of a new era..........
 
cdog said:
Now if savage would clone the 700 with a 3 lug bolt....hehe...
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Tikka223 said:
Hahaha I'm laughing even more now that I've read up a bit online.

I'm allowed to laugh too because I just bought a Remington 700 and I'm waiting for it to arrive ... maybe it'll be back to good old Savage before long. It's always funny when a company doesn't change a product in decades (aka the 700 action) all while saying that it's the best, most reliable, blah blah blah then does an about face and incorporates proprietary versions of all the successful features of the competition. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it Savage that popularized the barrel nut? And came up with the Accutrigger? And the floating bolt head?

Oh swell, I guess remington can simply call it progress.

If I had to improve on a Savage I would simply make the action and trigger feel "tighter". I never liked how much you could jiggle the bolt or push the safety from side to side.

If I don't like the Remington then it will be back to Savage for cheap rifles and more Tikkas for expensive rifles.
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I'm a little puzzled at your comments considering that the Savage/Stevens action is one that has had its roots dating back to the 1950's. Savage isn't exactly on the cutting edge with their near 70 year old design either. lol
 
All you guys that take delight in slagging Big Green should get a life, lol
The 700 has no need to prove squat, now or in the past.
Arguably the most successful modern bolt action rifle design, ever.

Cloned by several aftermarket makers, with many features retained.

Chances of getting an accurate 700 are still up there with any of it's competitors.

Now that Remington has decided to "copy" some features of their competition to market
an entry level rifle...they are the "bad" guys????

Let's see what this turns out to be. Can't be worse than the 710/770 series.
Can't be worse than some of the bottom of the barrel Savage crap either.

Before sending any long, single spaced letters advising me of the virtues of Savage rifles...I do own 3
2 Have replacement barrels, though, so not truly representative.

I also own Ruger 77's, #1's, Winchester 70's, and a couple of commercial Mausers, so am not totally
wedded to Remington's offerings.

Nevertheless, whenever I am shopping for a new rifle, Remington is still high on my list.

Regards, Eagleye.
 
New Era? It certainly is; An era of crap budget offerings that for some reason the gun buying public are lapping up.

Junk like this only serves to lessen what people expect from a Manufacturer instead of challenge them to come out with something better.
 
We're ntot slaggin' the competition Eagle, but you have to admit it does make for a good laugh when their press release says and I quote "A new rifle developed by the masterminds who brought you the 700"

I don't see any new developements on this rifle.....I just see some copying of older technology replaced with new trade names..........

Oh and I still have 3 700's kicking around here......but the serial numbers date them to better times............
 
marcoman said:
New Era? It certainly is; An era of crap budget offerings that for some reason the gun buying public are lapping up.
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You are more then welcome to send me money so I can sell my Ruger American and buy a more expensive riffle that will group the same.
 
DILLIGAF said:
You are more then welcome to send me money so I can sell my Ruger American and buy a more expensive riffle that will group the same.
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While accuracy is certainly an important attribute in a firearm, to my mind so is quality of materials, manufacturing and pride of ownership. Three qualities of which guns like the 783 do not possess.
 
Remington has acquired a stocking making business. They make some beautiful stocks for STOCKY STOCKS. I wish they would offer these on their own guns.
 
I'm hoping the short action calibers will come with a 24" barrel. The rifle sounds like its worth giving it a try...I mean for the price you really can not go wrong!!! I like the savage style barrel nut and the accu-style trigger....yeah, hope a 7mm-08 with 24" barrel is available.
 
2bad4u2 said:
I'm a little puzzled at your comments considering that the Savage/Stevens action is one that has had its roots dating back to the 1950's. Savage isn't exactly on the cutting edge with their near 70 year old design either. lol
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My bad, I had no idea the Savage design had been around that long.
 
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