New rifle for NSCC.

[kombayotch]

The guy who came in second this year (Keith was third) was shooting a bone stock 20" Olympic Arms upper and a 5x optic that was held down through most of the match with a shoe lace, then zip ties because the front ring came loose during the match and some screws were lost. He was the only one to get a 550 patch for the classic CoF.

 

[trout bum]

The guy who came in second this year (Keith was third) was shooting a bone stock 20" Olympic Arms upper and a 5x optic that was held down through most of the match with a shoe lace, then zip ties because the front ring came loose during the match and some screws were lost. He was the only one to get a 550 patch for the classic CoF.

So if he was the only one to break 550 in the classic course of fire - I have to assume that he was the highest score (and winner, therefore) of stage one, and the final rankings came about because of performance in Stage 2?

What was the grand agg winner driving?

 

[kombayotch]

No, there was no stage 2 this year because when we went to do it, it was raining so hard you couldn't see the numbers on the backstop.

The winner was using a Leupold 2.5-8X36mm on a 20" with a SS barrel.

 

[trout bum]

No, there was no stage 2 this year because when we went to do it, it was raining so hard you couldn't see the numbers on the backstop.

The winner was using a Leupold 2.5-8X36mm on a 20" with a SS barrel.

Well - something happened after the conventional course of fire if this guy didn't take teh agg??? DId they add the 400 and 600 stage that folks have been talking about? I gotta get back to Ottawa sometime. Miss it. Damn work.

 

[tiriaq]

Course of fire is now 16 matches. Four at the 400m stage.
All the results are on the DCRA website.

 

[kombayotch]

The classic does not include the 400M stage, it was that stage that put the winner ahead.

 

[Longshot]

It would be nice to put together a "Team Army" for NSCC.
Team of 4 shooting their own personal rifles that would make a clean sweep of all awards.

PS: Nice rifle. How does it balance?

I'm game!
Balance is just a tad heavier in the front. Not bad otherwise! Have to shoot some positional stuff to see how it goes.

 

[Longshot]

Personally I figure ammo and good glass are going to grab me a few more points than what I can get with a C7 so really that's all I'm after. But I've always wanted to build up a specific rifle just to bring out to NSCC. Should be fun no matter what happens!

 

[Jay T]

Hey LS can I be the weak link on the team with my 20"Colt Hbar and 3-9 Mark AR scope? It ain't as pretty as yours but it shoots.

 

[Shelldrake]

I have a similar build. The barrel was originally 24" and .75 inches all the way to the end, and very stout under the hand-guards.
When held by the pistol grip only, it would tip down like an elephant was sitting on the end of if. To balance it,, I filled the rear butt where the cleaning kit would go, with about 1 pound of musket balls. After that it was sweet, but overall weighed approx 18 pounds.
Couple of years ago, I had the barrel profile trimmed down like yours and the length reduced to about 21 inches. This was enough to make it balance ok without filling the butt with lead.
Still shoots like a charm.
My 77gr SMK load ended up being 22.5 grains of Reloder 15. Anything approaching 23 grains (Varget or Reloder 15) for me, resulted in the odd blown primer (one of which ended up down in the trigger mech and botched what should have been a nice rapid match). With the 69 gr SMK, it works fine at 23.5 grains of either Varget or Reloder 15. I have the standard chamber.

 

[Longshot]

I think I remember you shooting that one at some point and doing pretty well. I'm hoping it works out weight wise for positional shooting. Only one way to find out!

 

[kombayotch]

I built mine last year with a 24" HBAR (turned down), Hogue FF tube, big scope, big break and PRS stock. Wasn't terribly heavy, but noticeably heavier than a C7. By the end of the season I was down to a 20" barrel and smaller scope. Now I've swapped out the PRS for a colapsable MFT stock, the aluminum FF tube for a carbon fiber one and the big break for one the size of an A2. Barrel has been turned down even further. The lighter/shorter configuration handles a lot better with no discernable loss of accuracy.

According to JBM, the difference in drift between my 20" velocity and the 24" velocity amount to about 1" at 500M with a 10MPH wind.

Anything approaching 23 grains (Varget or Reloder 15) for me, resulted in the odd blown primer (one of which ended up down in the trigger mech and botched what should have been a nice rapid match).

That's one of the nicer failures it can cause. They can also:
-end up in the barrel extension, preventing the bolt from closing
-bend the mag lip down after being run over by the bolt carrier, causing the rounds to crash into the front of the mag instead of feeding
-go down the hole in the bolt key turning the rifle into a boltgun.

I has the first two happen in matches. Not fun!

 

[Mauser GDog]

...with Geiselle 2 stage service rifle trigger...

We have the same trigger! Only difference is mine is in a stock 14.5" Norinco M4orgery...we all have to start somewhere right?
Good luck with your new rifle.

 

[Gunnerlove]

Guess I should order a new barrel.

 

[Longshot]

We have the same trigger! Only difference is mine is in a stock 14.5" Norinco M4orgery...we all have to start somewhere right?
Good luck with your new rifle.

You certainly do! Those norincos actually shoot pretty good.

 

[Longshot]

Guess I should order a new barrel.

You are definitely at the level where you would see a difference. Talk to Jerry and then be ready to wait a couple months. Seems like it was worth the wait so far!

 

[tiriaq]

If the barrel is coming from the US, better get it ordered sooner, rather than later, if you want it for this season.
Another option is having one made from a blank. Not much different than making a barrel for a bolt action sporter, apart from fitting the gas block, and drilling the gas port. The contouring is easier than on a sporter; basically cylinders, not a graceful compound taper.

 

[RedCoatShooter]

Hey Guys,

I'm new to SR and would like to know if a 16 inch M4 Carbine with a 1-4x scope will be good to start out with? Is there a better build out there? I'm looking at mainly being competitive between 200-300 meters.

Thanks,

 

[Miraclejoe]

I shot a 16" rifle with a 4x ACOG last year and the limiting factor was not the gear...

And there is no such thing as a 16" M4 Carbine. M4s by definition are 14.5" carbines. You must be shooting a 16" AR15.

 

[Bolivar]

Hey Guys,

I'm new to SR and would like to know if a 16 inch M4 Carbine with a 1-4x scope will be good to start out with? Is there a better build out there? I'm looking at mainly being competitive between 200-300 meters.

Thanks,

That should do just fine. Like MJ said, the limiting factor will likely be you, not the gear. The best way to get better is to get out with what you have and shoot. Are there better builds? Sure, sky is the limit. Best advice I can give though is to run what you have now and learn with it. Don't worry about having the best possible rifle, focus applying shooting fundamentals as well as you can and trying to better your performance at each event and figuring out what you are doing right and what you can do better.

Now if I was looking to buy a rifle for SR, I would personally prefer a 20 inch barrel for extra velocity = less wind drift. Others will argue that point, but if I had no other option I would have shot SR last year with my Norc 14.5. I was fortunate that I already had a rifle and a barrel that met my preference before I decided to try SR out.