beretta boy
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- Orillia, Ontario
Probably the same kids who had "idiot strings" through their coat sleeves so they wouldn't lose their mittens !
New rifles with spare bolts and mags?
- Thread starter Rob
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Probably the same kids who had "idiot strings" through their coat sleeves so they wouldn't lose their mittens !
It's always in the last place you look.
Rifle bolts are lost all the time. The not in production anymore rifle goes from being worth a bundle to being worth next to nothing because of a missing extremely hard to source bolt.
A trigger lock can at least be defeated with enough time and skill if the key goes missing. It might seem a good idea at the time to separate your rifle from your bolt, but it is not. Separating your ammo makes more sense as the thief needs at least a PAL to source ammo.
A trigger lock can at least be defeated with enough time and skill if the key goes missing. It might seem a good idea at the time to separate your rifle from your bolt, but it is not. Separating your ammo makes more sense as the thief needs at least a PAL to source ammo.
If they're stealing your gun, you think they don't know where to get ammo without a PAL? A stolen gun is only useful to other criminals, unlike with your Playstation some crackhead can't walk into the pawn shop with a rifle.
That said, if your reason for storing a bolt separate from a rifle is because you are worried about theft, you probably need to rethink where/how you're storing the rifle in the first place. And as for trigger locks, by enough time and skill, do you mean practically no skill and almost no time? I bought a rifle online, and when it showed up it had a trigger lock on it but no key. 1 minute on Youtube, a small flathead screwdriver, and 5 seconds with the lock and I was in. Less than two minutes, and more than half of that was spent on youtube trying to find the pertinent information...
I wonder if someone with more knowledge can chime in on something relating to this though: If they DID sell multiple bolts, would headspace be an issue? Would it be extra work to get the headspacing correct on two different bolts? Would you still have an issue where a bolt from Rifle A wouldn't necessarily have the same headspace as Rifle B?
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- Steel Town and The Peg
If bolts are measured and appropriately coded, it should be fairly easy to acquire a correct spare bolt. Headspacing is never guaranteed, but on a rifle with lowish wear, it should be a good chance of acceptable headspacing. Either way, I always check headspacing and never leave things to chance. If I don't have the gauges, it goes to a smith. On one occasion I had the barrel setback on a Danish M69. All others did not close close on No-Go or Field.
Every gunshow I do , I would say that at least 4 guys wondering around looking for a " clip" ,no one askes for mags.
And it is not unheard of same fellow are looking for a bolt that put somewhere. Old cooey bolt requests ate common.
One year I made up a bunch of little lock picks for the master locks, some wood, a zip wheel and epoxy they sold good, I maybe should have charged more. LoL
And it is not unheard of same fellow are looking for a bolt that put somewhere. Old cooey bolt requests ate common.
One year I made up a bunch of little lock picks for the master locks, some wood, a zip wheel and epoxy they sold good, I maybe should have charged more. LoL
A trigger lock not installed correctly is quite easy to 'pick'. They need to be a bit loose so you have access inside between the two halves to get the pick in.
A trigger lock installed correctly is another story. It is considerably easier to use a drill and drill out the lock and throw it away.
These are trigger locks that use an actual cut key to operate, not the bolt and nut type of 'lock'. For the life of me I don't know why that is an acceptable 'lock'.
It's only real for the people that for some reason decide to store the bolt separately, and then lose it. I never understood the logic for this and never will, there are several options to legally store firearms , and this one makes the least sense to me. I actually know one guy that has two rifles, one in 7mmremmag, and one in 25-06, that drove two hours on a hunt , got in the field, went to load his 7mmremmage rifle, only to discover that he couldn't chamber a round, because he had taken the 25-06 bolt by mistake.
Eaglelord17
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Sault Ste. Marie
A small flat head screwdriver pressed against the teeth of the lock will pop it open in about 5 seconds. Doesn't matter how tight the lock is, they basically all fit in there unless the lock is specifically formed for your rifle. It is amazing at how poor basically all these lock designs are, but I suppose the reality is it is only stopping someone from casually using it.
As to the two bolts, that is a poor idea because you are not understanding how they get 'lost' in the first place. It is because the owner is taking out the bolt and hiding it. If they had two bolts they would also have that bolt hidden, likely in the same place as the first bolt.
It makes very little sense to store a gun without a bolt. Saying something like “well if they steal the gun it doesn’t have a bolt” is stupid. Don’t live your life to accommodate criminals. The only situation that has a tiny bit of logic is. Having a individual ammo box for each one of your rifles ammo and storing the bolt in the same ammo box. But the only reason for that would be bolts in rifles taking up to much space in the safe. Because we’ve all tried to squeeze a 13th gun in our 12 gun safe.
Lot of folks have taken the bolts out for "safety", in some foolish thought process. NEVER do this. - dan
