New Rugger 10-22 CLONE on the market

[Wham-O]

I know what you mean about thinking things should be judged by how well they perform "out of the box". I also find the Aftermarket Cult almost funny, in a way. In firearms, it doesn't just apply to Ruger 10/22s but to almost all popular rifles, shotguns and pistols. And of course it doesn't just apply to firearms either: for example, Harley Davidson motocycles are absolutely notorious for this. A buyer can ride any other brand or model of new bike just as is, with maybe some bags and a windscreen added; but part of the "charm" of Harley Davidsons is that you can double the price of the bike with aftermarket engine parts before ever taking it off the dealer's lot - and almost have to if you want a bike that performs well.

Anyway, like you, I've always assumed that a commercial firearm should work right out of the box and be able to perform the job it was designed to do. I have a Ruger 10/22 that I bought in the early 1980s and heavily modified for the time: I fitted it with a Williams peepsight and then replaced the front sight with a higher post to match the greater height of the peepsight.

I never felt any need to modify the rifle beyond that as it has always worked perfectly for what it is: an SA blowback .22 utility rifle for hunting small game or varmints and for plinking. What does this mean? It means it goes bang every time I pull the trigger, and does so with enough practical accuracy to shoot gophers, magpies or marauding tin cans reliably out to about 75 yards or so. Will it put every bullet into a quarter-inch hole at 50m like an Olympic target rifle? Of course not, but if that was what I wanted, I would have bought an Olympic target rifle instead of a truck gun. I certainly wouldn't have spent $1,000+ trying to turn the truck gun into an Olympic target rifle.

When Ruger originally designed the 10/22, the aim was to produce a tough, practical rifle that would end up on the gunrack in every farm, ranch, acreage and rural pickup truck in the country. And that is precisely what the company made. The rifle was never expected to be carried onto the winner's podium at any kind of formal target competition.

The funny thing is, as far as I can tell, after people spend $600 to $1000 reworking their Ruger 10/22 truck guns to be Olympic target shooters, they mostly have rifles that are neither. They may be very accurate and a real pleasure to shoot, but a lot of cheaper but purpose-built bolt-action target rifles will still out-shoot them right out of the box, and they are now far too expensive and highly tuned to be working shooters anymore.

Well put.....but not totally true.
I've seen many "upgraded" 10/22's out shoot middle to high end bolt guns in target competitions.
Plus, it still baffles me that the people that whine the most (about modded 10/22's)..... are the people that have never owned or seriously upgraded one??
Strange.....

 

[langbanger]

Well put.....but not totally true.
I seen many "upgraded" 10/22's out shoot middle to high end bolt guns in target competitions.
Plus, it still baffles me that the people that whine the most (about modded 10/22's)..... are the people that have never owned or seriously upgraded one??
Strange.....

I'll second that. It's just fun to customize and upgrade. It seams it's always the guys withought any mods that are hating on the customized guys, not very often the other way around. Just enjoy shooting and dont worry about what anyone else shoots for a rifle.

 

[elimsprint]

Now they need to come up with a copy of the 10/22 mag!

You mean a copy of the BX-25 and just market for their rifle
Kim

 

[elimsprint]

Well put.....but not totally true.
I've seen many "upgraded" 10/22's out shoot middle to high end bolt guns in target competitions.
Plus, it still baffles me that the people that whine the most (about modded 10/22's)..... are the people that have never owned or seriously upgraded one??
Strange.....

Now that was well put!!
Kim

 

[screwtape]

Well put.....but not totally true.
I've seen many "upgraded" 10/22's out shoot middle to high end bolt guns in target competitions.
Plus, it still baffles me that the people that whine the most (about modded 10/22's)..... are the people that have never owned or seriously upgraded one??
Strange.....

Now that was well put!!
Kim

I'll second that. It's just fun to customize and upgrade. It seams it's always the guys without any mods that are hating on the customized guys, not very often the other way around. Just enjoy shooting and dont worry about what anyone else shoots for a rifle.

If you look back through the thread, the snarky comments from "guys without any mods" (like me) were a direct response to "customized guys" who have spent pages heaping scorn on the "Rugger 10-22 clone" because a lot of aftermarket parts designed for Ruger 10/22s won't fit it and they therefore consider it "worthless".

Just to recap, the OP originally started this entire thread because new Ruger 10/22s were almost unobtainable in Canada right at the start of gopher season, and he had discovered a reasonable alternative for guys needing a gopher gun for the farm this year: a Ruger clone that was well-made, well-priced and in stock.

However, the "custom guys" discovered that high-end Ruger accessories - in particular barrels - would not fit this clone and have spent a lot of time in this thread discussing how any firearm owner worthy of the name would not deign to soil his hands with this piece of foreign trash. Apparently, unless a utility .22 rifle can be re-built from top to bottom with aftermarket parts to turn it into an Olympic-grade target rifle, it's just not worth owning -- and nobody in their right mind would consider buying it, because anybody who isn't a total fuddy-duddy will just as a matter of course modify his .22 rifle that way.

The post in this thread that particularly got my own goat was this one (Post #175):

Another new flop on our market. Useless to all but the few who leave their guns stock. Superior? Should have read inferior.

As I said in reply, I expect at least 3/4 of the Ruger 10/22s out there are "stock". To paraphrase, if you prefer to upgrade your rifles from top to bottom, go ahead. But don't hate on another person's rifle or whine about it because it comes with few accessories and has to be shot "bone stock"...

 

[sksscrew]

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[elimsprint]

If you look back through the thread, the snarky comments from "guys without any mods" (like me) were a direct response to "customized guys" who have spent pages heaping scorn on the "Rugger 10-22 clone" because a lot of aftermarket parts designed for Ruger 10/22s won't fit it and they therefore consider it "worthless".

Just to recap, the OP originally started this entire thread because new Ruger 10/22s were almost unobtainable in Canada right at the start of gopher season, and he had discovered a reasonable alternative for guys needing a gopher gun for the farm this year: a Ruger clone that was well-made, well-priced and in stock.

However, the "custom guys" discovered that high-end Ruger accessories - in particular barrels - would not fit this clone and have spent a lot of time in this thread discussing how any firearm owner worthy of the name would not deign to soil his hands with this piece of foreign trash. Apparently, unless a utility .22 rifle can be re-built from top to bottom with aftermarket parts to turn it into an Olympic-grade target rifle, it's just not worth owning -- and nobody in their right mind would consider buying it, because anybody who isn't a total fuddy-duddy will just as a matter of course modify his .22 rifle that way.

The post in this thread that particularly got my own goat was this one (Post #175):



As I said in reply, I expect at least 3/4 of the Ruger 10/22s out there are "stock". To paraphrase, if you prefer to upgrade your rifles from top to bottom, go ahead. But don't hate on another person's rifle or whine about it because it comes with few accessories and has to be shot "bone stock"...

I think the point us customizing guys was trying to make was that this gun's cost is really not a lot less than a "real" 10/22 and it has a lot of limitations on it for any later improvements if desired. IMO that makes it not a great buy. If you are never ever going to mod it or sell it then go ahead and save a couple of bucks but I feel that the little extra for a "real" one is well worth it.
Kim

 

[hootguy]

ONE THING,,,if the real Ruger 10/22 is so GREAT,,,why do people have to spend 3 to 5 times the price of the original gun to try and make it BETTER,,,,i have a new 10/22,,,and it's nice allright,,,but it feels like a toy,,,this clone fits like a REAL rifle,,has a lot of Ruger's plastic replaced with METAL,,,now my buddy's 30 year old 10/22 is much nicer built,,but not really more accurate,,,so some might say clone,,,ACTUAL owners of the clone might say IMPROVED,,,AND if the Chinese keep improving their procucts,,,North America is doomed,,,who's going to buy overpriced american made products that are no better than offshore stuff just to support the economy,,,so North America manufacturers better get their ass in gear and step up QUALITY again,,,

 

[Pocisk]

^^^^
Yup, starting with our schools. Too many kids have an entitlement mentality expecting everything to be handed to them, to the point where we can't insist they learn how to spell because it might harm their self esteem. Meanwhile Asian kids are jumping off buildings because they didn't get straight A's. That will bite us hard down the road if we don't fix it.

**note I know it's not all kids, I know some fine upstanding youths that will do us proud, but there's too few of them.

Anyway sorry for the digression, gotta go get more coffee.

 

[hootguy]

could be worse,,we could be in the US,,,,

 

[trebor2880]

ONE THING,,,if the real Ruger 10/22 is so GREAT,,,why do people have to spend 3 to 5 times the price of the original gun to try and make it BETTER,,,,i have a new 10/22,,,and it's nice allright,,,but it feels like a toy,,,this clone fits like a REAL rifle,,has a lot of Ruger's plastic replaced with METAL,,,now my buddy's 30 year old 10/22 is much nicer built,,but not really more accurate,,,so some might say clone,,,ACTUAL owners of the clone might say IMPROVED,,,AND if the Chinese keep improving their procucts,,,North America is doomed,,,who's going to buy overpriced american made products that are no better than offshore stuff just to support the economy,,,so North America manufacturers better get their ass in gear and step up QUALITY again,,,

I'm old enough to remember when someone saw "Made in Japan" products, it was synonymous with junk.
Look at them now! And it looks like China is following in their footsteps.
But look on the bright side. Soon we'll be a third world country, and we can start from scratch and build ourselves back up to be a thriving nation.

 

[johnny the boy]

Hi I found this thread through another one. I just scored a RIA 10/22 CLONE from SFRC on sale and discounted a further 10%. Around $240.00 all in.I had a Ruger 10/22 but was not overly impressed with it. Sold it for $250.00 to a shootin buddy. Most likely add an optic and a Archangel mag. Kinda hard to find any deals this year as we have had no power due to the crazy ice storm here in N.B. FOR ALMOST A WEEK NOW! [ got power back last night YAY!] I have had no internet so I missed most of the sales but I took a chance in this little rifle as a christmass present to me. The daughter somehow thinks it is for her. MEH!

 

[Deerdr]

Epic Thread Lone Ranger...

 

[kjohn]

Wow! Epic thread is right! Well, I'll throw my two bits in.... My gun partner and I bought three for trading material at gun shows. We each skinned the WWII Russian tank primer off the stocks, more to see what was underneath. The stocks are very light in colour and are soft. What looks like Bondo was used to fill in a couple of bad spots, but the stocks look okay. I put about 7 coats of RLO in mine and Deaner put furniture Tru Oil on his. Likely mine would have soaked up a whole pail of RLO! I mounted a Burson (old Japanese job with very fine crosshairs) scope and "sighted in" offhand in a wind at some cow terds. Can't say much more, other than it works.

Edit: Just bought two more at Moose Jaw CT for $199 + Tax ea. To the naysayers: The mag included is Butler Creek ten round steel lipped.

Yes, I know... Will get to it right away!

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[gctkaz]

I would totally consider buying one if I can get confirmation that 12.5" and shorter aftermarket barrels will fit. Would love to have a non-restricted semi-auto that's below 32".

 

[762Russian]

$249 is still too expensive for a Ruger, and especially for a clone.

 

[krausb]

I would totally consider buying one if I can get confirmation that 12.5" and shorter aftermarket barrels will fit. Would love to have a non-restricted semi-auto that's below 32".

Aftermarket barrels made for the 10/22 will definitely not fit this gun. This has been confirmed earlier in this thread and in others. But there are plenty of 10/22s out there now if that is what you're after.

 

[kjohn]

So far, I have cranked Federal bulk, Western bulk, SuperX bulk out of mine with no hiccups. I mostly use a 25 rnd BC steel lipped mag. Even smoked a few gophers on Friday.

 

[Hitzy]

I got one on order....$200 with SFRC 10% off deal more or less. Give it a #### whippin and see if it stands up....lol

 

[Hitzy]

Well got the gun, looked OK until i got to the bore....looked like it had been test fired a bunch and was pretty dirty. Turns out if was pretty rusty....I'll get some pics up shortly.
yeah cell pics suck, but that was all red ####....lands were pretty rough, took some scrubbing and then some lapping, but should be good now....too much work for a new gun!


Well it redeemed itself at the range, not a single hiccup, used the 10 round BC mag and a Ruger rotary mag, used the irons and it shot quite well. It will get scoped and abused for years. The metal barrel band kind of sucks as it scratches the stock and barrel when you remove it...but meh, it's a $200 beater lol
I'd say if you want a 10/22 buy a 10/22....these are better in some areas and ####tier in others. The bolt and charging handle are roughly cast. The inside of the received is pretty roughly done as well, and the paint is not durable at all. Scope base is just a cheap screw on dovetail, I prefer the Ruger weaver/dovetail version. Not bad for $200 to beat on, other places are asking close to $300 for these which is nuts/####ed. lol