New Semi Auto BREN mk II

Well considering they wanted 4K for an mb34, 6K for a 42, 3K for a 1919 - I'm not surprised they were slow movers.

If they could get ZB26's and sell them under $1800 or so each (very doable if the guns are available and make it past the RCMP), they would probably sell alot more of them ;) Though sadly they would be 5 round limited unlike the belt fed stuff.
 
Claven2 said:
I think the closest thing would be to get "never assembled" ZB-26 recceivers from CZ converted to semi only and imported. Bren kits could possibly be made to fit, and if not, a ZB would be almost as cool to own :)
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I doubt it:( I got to fondle and disassemble one of these side by side with an Inglis Bren very recently. They look the same and the principles are identical, but the parts entirely proprietary:( I'd still gladly own either! What a damn handsome firearm.
 
There are real problems in producing semi auto only variants of these guns. They are complicated, and have many complex parts which were made by conventional machining processes, often from forgings. Parts kits from decommissioned guns are the only economic source of most of the parts. The receiver, and fire control group, as well as the bolt will have to be new production. A design that cannot be readily converted to full auto must be developed. There must be a lot of reverse engineering to marry the old and the new. In all likelihood, the design will have to be hammer or striker fired from a closed bolt; no regulation requires this, but open bolt designs are often too easy to alter for auto fire. Some original parts will have to be altered. The receiver would likely have to be CNC machined from a billet. Have a really good look at a BREN, etc., receiver, and look at the number of different profiles which must be machined. The Browning guns are probably the easiest to remanufacture: closed bolt to start with, and a rivetted box receiver, rather than one machined from a solid chunk. The Bren receiver blank weighed more than the finished gun.
OK, the gun is not going to be cheap. Then, what is the market for the gun? How many are you going to sell in this country? Enough to justify economic production? Look at the price of the AIA Lee Enfieldish rifles. They are a piece of cake to manufacture compared to a version of one of the old classic MGs.
 
I pulled these pictures off of:
w w w brenlmg.com/eve/ubb.x/a/tpc/f/7586076314/m/145102466

There are several companies in the US making NEW semi-auto Bren receivers. I think the receivers alone cost about $1500 US. The receivers in the pictures below are produced by Historic Arms.

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the bolts on the browning beltfeds are the ORIGINAL bolts

the were milled down on 1 side by .70 thou to clear the raised "rib" on the right side plate.. the reciever (newly made semi only) the sear slot was milled wider and deeper to fit the semi sear a FA sear will not fit..it falls right out

the lock frame and trigger group are also milled down .70 thou the trigger is newly made semi only as well as the sear

all other parts are orig USGI parts

an original bolt barrel extension and trigger group will NOT fit into the newly made recievers
 
There are not any huge probelms getting commercial varients approved in Canada. I would think that the biggest issues would be getting US approval for guns that contain MG parts. I can't even get state dept approval for a Thompson stock because it fits an MG. These kits have all kinds of MG parts.
 
Kits aren't a problem. If Marstar had the S/A receivers, they have lots of parts kits on complete rifles sitting in their warehouses ;)
 
Claven2 said:
Kits aren't a problem. If Marstar had the S/A receivers, they have lots of parts kits on complete rifles sitting in their warehouses ;)

they wont brake them up i wanted to buy an m2 and a 1919 in "kit" form and they said that they cannot destroy a FA reciever and sell the rest in canada ..... maybe the guy i asked was full of it

as for the semi recievers well if its a 1919 or an m2 a opiece of plate stell and a mill is all you need not real hard to make a sem sideplate
 
LOL - how do you think Marstar is able to supply all those 1919 kits to TNW in the states to make their semis? I'll bet somewhere in the Marstar warehouse is a stack of registered prohib F/A 1919 receiver plates. What it amounts to is they don't want their F/A parts kits in the hands of ppl who might try to use them to build prohibs and then have those kits traced back to Marstar and I don't blame them. Now, if Marstar sent them to a licensed third party who would machine the kits for the S/A receiver and then sold you the gun as a registered semi, I imagine their objections would evaporate - essentially this is what they are already doing with ther 1919 kits.
 
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