New SK trespassing laws coming soon

[HammerHeade]

All BS made up by you taking statements out of context.

I have not seen anybody take any of your bull#### out of context

 

[skhunter]

Go ahead and quote where I said that. But you are arguing that I need to put signs up to tell you that you cant use my land or you think you have the right to use it.



Sure you have and we all know it. You just have not come out and admitted it. You are just whining that you are loosing your not right to use land that is not yours and that it criminalizes you and the "law abiding" LOL



Sure not my fault that your BS that you never said it was proven wrong by your own posts

Shawn

You compared posting your land to posting a sign on my cellphone do not steal. It is already illegal to steal my cellphone and your land, no sign necessary for either.

If I was arguing access was a right, I would be arguing you have no right to post it.

Again, you have the right and the means to deny access now. You are just too lazy to assert your right.

Again, speaking as a land owner, not a hunter.

 

[Galt]

So if I pay my.neighbour 500 dollars a year to be able to ATV on his property and I maintain his trails, he allows only myself and friends to hunt there because we respect his land. Is that illegal under the laws? Nothing to do with paying or bartering for hunting rights, he just likes us.

 

[Dogleg]

So if I pay my.neighbour 500 dollars a year to be able to ATV on his property and I maintain his trails, he allows only myself and friends to hunt there because we respect his land. Is that illegal under the laws? Nothing to do with paying or bartering for hunting rights, he just likes us.

Depends if its:

A) The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

B) Weasel words looking for a loophole to hide the illegal pay for access plan.

C) if you believe that things are only illegal if you get caught.

 

[dgl1948]

The wildlife act; read it sometimes if you get bored.

Sale of hunting rights
43 Subject to this Act and the regulations, no person shall, directly or indirectly,
sell, trade or barter or offer for sale, trade or barter the hunting rights for wildlife
on any land.
1998, c.W-13.12, s.43.


If you are paying the outfitter and hunting on posted land you are directly and indirectly paying for hunting access. If the outfitters have it all sewed up then they are directly charging for access because you couldn't go there without them. If the outfitters are paying the landowners taxes they can both be charged. Proving that last one might be a little tougher, but forensic audits can do wonders. If you don't like it, find a CO with a set of balls and have the outfitter and hunters charged. Or go to your MLA and have him make them do their job.


You're right that a landowner can post their land and still allow some people to hunt and keep others out. Where you're wrong is that as soon as money gets tossed into the mix it changes.

I am well aware of the act. There is lots of land tied up by bird outfitters in our area. The problem is how do you prove that money was passed under the table. I have been approached by an outfitter but my land remains hunting with permission.

 

[Dogleg]

I am well aware of the act. There is lots of land tied up by bird outfitters in our area. The problem is how do you prove that money was passed under the table. I have been approached by an outfitter but my land remains hunting with permission.

Actually, all you have to prove is that the outfitter charges his clients and you have the indirectly part nailed. Besides, if someone approached you the law was broken . Why didn't you turn him in?

 

[hutch65]

My understanding of laws and acts may not be up to snuff, but the way I understand this Act, particularly section 17(d) is that this Act does not apply to "any individual engaged in lawful hunting, fishing and trapping activities". If I read this correctly, if you have a valid hunting license or are exercising aboriginal hunting rights, the rest of the trespassing act is thrown out the window. I do not agree with this and believe that a land owner has the right to keep anyone off their land providing that they properly post the land as no trespassing or hunting. Am I reading this correctly?

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^^^^
This. 110%

 

[shawn]

You compared posting your land to posting a sign on my cellphone do not steal. It is already illegal to steal my cellphone and your land, no sign necessary for either.

Do you really want me to post you almost 2 pages of your posts where you claim that the law to post you land is the same as locking my truck, shop or house? It not my comparison its yours. Either you believe it or your don't you cant have it both ways.

If I was arguing access was a right, I would be arguing you have no right to post it.

Yes that is one way you could. Or you could take the route you did and whine about being criminalized, that you were loosing something and that if they didn't want you on their land they have to expressly notify you by putting up a sign.

Again, you have the right and the means to deny access now. You are just too lazy to assert your right.

I have the right to you not using things I paid for whether or not I tell you its mine. You know its not yours, you know you didn't pay for it, and you know you need to ask to use it. The fact you think otherwise is beyond hilarious.

Again, speaking as a land owner, not a hunter.

I don't care. You are wrong and you know it. And any issues that arise from this will lay solely at the feet of people that believe they have a right to land they do not own and are too lazy to ask permission to use. Your "criminalization" and lose of hunting land will be your fault and the fault of people that think like you.

Shawn

 

[skhunter]

Do you really want me to post you almost 2 pages of your posts where you claim that the law to post you land is the same as locking my truck, shop or house? It not my comparison its yours. Either you believe it or your don't you cant have it both ways.



Yes that is one way you could. Or you could take the route you did and whine about being criminalized, that you were loosing something and that if they didn't want you on their land they have to expressly notify you by putting up a sign.



I have the right to you not using things I paid for whether or not I tell you its mine. You know its not yours, you know you didn't pay for it, and you know you need to ask to use it. The fact you think otherwise is beyond hilarious.



I don't care. You are wrong and you know it. And any issues that arise from this will lay solely at the feet of people that believe they have a right to land they do not own and are too lazy to ask permission to use. Your "criminalization" and lose of hunting land will be your fault and the fault of people that think like you.

Shawn

It is you that made the comparison that accessing your land is the same as accessing your truck, house or shop. I simply pointed out that yoou take action to prevent unwanted access to those but not your land.


Any changes that arise from this will be the result of a few whiny farmers who needed their bellies rubbed by government.

 

[shawn]

It is you that made the comparison that accessing your land is the same as accessing your truck, house or shop. I simply pointed out that yoou take action to prevent unwanted access to those but not your land.


Any changes that arise from this will be the result of a few whiny farmers who needed their bellies rubbed by government.

Nope,

You just cant post without lying can you:

Now who is spouting BS? Show me where I said it was anybody's right to access private land.

You don't want your truck accessed, you lock it.

You don't want your house accessed, you lock it.

You don't want your shop accessed, you lock it.

You don't want your land accessed, you cry for government assistance.

It must be hard to come up with a witty argument, and then get proven wrong, by your own posts, every time LOL

And you wonder why people dont want you on their land

Shawn

 

[dgl1948]

Actually, all you have to prove is that the outfitter charges his clients and you have the indirectly part nailed. Besides, if someone approached you the law was broken . Why didn't you turn him in?

Not that easy to do. Discussed it with a CO. The deal offered me was I post my land and the I would get paid as a guide. There is no law preventing a outfitter with paying clients hunt posted land if the landowner does not get paid. Very hard to prove money was passed under the table. Very hard to prove a landowner excepted cash in the same amount as his taxes.

 

[skhunter]

Nope,

You just cant post without lying can you:



It must be hard to come up with a witty argument, and then get proven wrong, by your own posts, every time LOL

And you wonder why people dont want you on their land

Shawn

Exactly what I said I said.

 

[skhunter]

Not that easy to do. Discussed it with a CO. The deal offered me was I post my land and the I would get paid as a guide. There is no law preventing a outfitter with paying clients hunt posted land if the landowner does not get paid. Very hard to prove money was passed under the table. Very hard to prove a landowner excepted cash in the same amount as his taxes.

Was this for birds or big game?

 

[shawn]

Exactly what I said I said.

LOL this is just getting sad:

It is you that made the comparison that accessing your land is the same as accessing your truck, house or shop.

And the post where you brought it up:

Now who is spouting BS? Show me where I said it was anybody's right to access private land.

You don't want your truck accessed, you lock it.

You don't want your house accessed, you lock it.

You don't want your shop accessed, you lock it.

You don't want your land accessed, you cry for government assistance.

LOL

Shawn

 

[skhunter]

Irrelevant

The fundamental issue here is you believe you are entitled to use someones else's property unless they specifically notify you that you cant. If we change farm land to any other form of property you would loose you mind if the government made you have spend time and money, on top of the purchase price, to have to explicitly tell everyone that came across said property that it was yours and they can not use it without permission.

Shawn

You made the comparison before I brought it up.

LOL this is just getting sad:




And the post where you brought it up:




LOL

Shawn

 

[shawn]

You made the comparison before I brought it up.

LOL Nope

I made the comparison that if by law I could use anything of yours unless you specifically posted a sign saying I could not, that was anything other than farm land, you would lose your mind.

You said that me locking my truck, shop or house was the same thing as posting land. It is not and you know it, we know it, and its still BS you made up. You can twist and turn all you want but you are doing nothing but talking yourself into a bigger and bigger hole LOL

Shawn

 

[skhunter]

LOL Nope

I made the comparison that if by law I could use anything of yours unless you specifically posted a sign saying I could not, that was anything other than farm land, you would lose your mind.

You said that me locking my truck, shop or house was the same thing as posting land. It is not and you know it, we know it, and its still BS you made up. You can twist and turn all you want but you are doing nothing but talking yourself into a bigger and bigger hole LOL

Shawn

You can argue semantics all you want.

We still know this is all about the complaints of a few lazy, butt hurt farmers feeling disrespected.

 

[canadian hunter312]

You can argue semantics all you want.

We still know this is all about the complaints of a few lazy, butt hurt farmers feeling disrespected.

Or, it's the result of farmers who're sick of entitled people using their land as they please without first asking for permission?

People using private land as they please can result in:

-strangers unintentionally ruining the landowners hunt(s)
-crop damage
-potential safety issues as neither the landowner or strangers know who is currently hunting on the land
-disturbing game the landowner has been patterning
-increased theft of stands, trail cameras

All of this can be avoided by communicating with the landowner to allow them the opportunity to control who is using their land and when along with letting the hunters know where they can or cannot hunt and when others will be on the land.



Everyone else in the thread apparently gets it. Why is it so hard for you to understand the simple concept of asking before using something someone else purchased? This shouldn't even need to be a law as it should be common sense. I can only see trespassers and poachers taking issue with this....

 

[dgl1948]

Was this for birds or big game?

Birds.

 

[coyoteking]

Now who is spouting BS? Show me where I said it was anybody's right to access private land.

You don't want your truck accessed, you lock it.

You don't want your house accessed, you lock it.

You don't want your shop accessed, you lock it.

You don't want your land accessed, you cry for government assistance.

Bolded for hypocrisy.