And how would the law change put a stop to those who already ignore the signs?
New SK trespassing laws coming soon
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And how would the law change put a stop to those who already ignore the signs?
My crop land is no different than my house or my vehicles. The same trespass laws should apply to all types of property.
The damage caused by trespassing is very real, I pointed out to you earlier in the thread the bio security issues we face and you dismissed that as irrelevant. Fortunately, the very valid reasons for the needed change to the law will not be decided by entitled hunters.
Last November we had a large amount of rain after a very dry year. While seeding this spring I came across ruts in nearly every field we own. The soil was compacted enough to prevent our crop from germinating everywhere those truck tracks were. The trespasser caused damage that cost us income.
Of course you will respond with “vandalism is already illegal” or “trespassing on posted land is already illegal”. Yes they are, but what is needed in this province is a complete shift in attitude, which is what the changes to the trespass act will address. Trespass and hunting without permission are illegal in Alberta. When I lived there I did a lot of hunting and the attitude towards land access was completely different than in Saskatchewan. Nobody would risk getting caught on private land because it meant serious fines and loss of hunting privileges.
It may take a generation to accomplish it, but I believe these changes to the law will eventually change the self entitled attitude of land users and the numbers of hunters will continue to increase regardless.
We're going around in circles. Those thinking these laws are being put in place to stop law abiding hunters and their kids, and those who would like to be able to prosecute the lowlifes who shoot a cow, steal old machinery and parts, cut fences, and drive through crops. By the way, to all the high and mighty on here, I've had ALL those things happen on my land, most things way more than once, and still haven't posted the land. Sometimes though, enough's enough. Too bad this has turned gun folk against gun folk. I dare say, I doubt anyone posting here are ones I'd take issue with being on my property.
So will you prosecute everyone who drives into your yard without prior permission if the law changes?
As you say ALL of your property is the same.
The only hunter that will be discouraged is the guy who would not cause any damage now.
Those that are currently causing damage already run the risk of prosecution and loss of hunting privileges.
So why does it work so well in Alberta? Way more hunters there than here.
Yes, I will charge every trespasser. Most people driving into my yard have permission.
So how does anyone ask for permission if they are trespassing on your yard?
So Alberta is trespass and land damage free?
There is huge conflict between hunters and ranchers on leased government land in Alberta.
You’re arguments are very weak. If we applied your logic to all aspects of law then we may as well live in a lawless society as no law can be enforced 100% of the time.
That may or may not be true. It should be pretty clear in the writing of the law who can determine access to leased land. If it’s not then that’s something the Alberta government should look at making more concise. I know trespassing on private property in Alberta is much less prevalent than here.
And if we apply your logic the ban on handguns will stop criminals from getting guns.
The conflict your speaking of is between people who use their ATV's, UTV's, & 4x4's to weekend warrior tearing up the place all summer. Hundreds if not thousands of people are out camping for free every weekend all summer on lease land, as they are allowed to. These are the people that the ranchers take issue with. Ranchers and hunters have a good relationship in Alberta, they work together by and large.
But you already have a law that enables you to stop trespassing.
Well not from what I read on albertaoutdoorsmen. There is a constant battle between hunters and ranchers over access.
Not at all. Your strawman argument doesent srand up to even the simplest scrutiny.
I’m in favour of strengthening property rights. Handgun ownership is a property rights issue the same as trespass laws. I’d like to see harsher penalties for all types of trespass, whether it’s prople damaging my crops or thieves stealing my handguns, it’s all the same in my assessment.
But I’ll sit back and let you explain how improving Saskatchewan trespass laws will cause a handgun ban, since you brought it up.
The new law will move the onus to the trespasser to gain permission rather than placing it on the landowner to seek out permission from the trespasser. The way things are now is completely ass-backwards.
Only battles are that the ranchers do control the number of people on the land versus a free for all. Those willing to work with the ranchers do get on the land. As the land here is usually grazed right through hunting season, it does need to be managed, names need to be taken and recorded.
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