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Handled and shouldered the SCAR today alongside a couple different AR's....very nice indeed.
So if I was to pick up a 16S....can the barrel be switched once one becomes available for the non-restricted conversion? Or would it have to be a 'all in one shot order'?
So if I was to pick up a 16S....can the barrel be switched once one becomes available for the non-restricted conversion? Or would it have to be a 'all in one shot order'?
Maple Leaf Pilgrim
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The SCAR barrels are operator changeable from what I can see.
I, however am more interested in details about the flash suppressor/muzzle brake on the thing...
Can I ask questions regarding that here, or should I ask via e-mail?
I, however am more interested in details about the flash suppressor/muzzle brake on the thing...
Can I ask questions regarding that here, or should I ask via e-mail?
Our priority is the longer barrels (to allow non-restricted registration)... short barrels will follow some time later.
The barrels are NOT coming from CMMG. CMMG doesn't make their own FN barrels they have them made by "outside contractors".
We have a better source that is also less expensive than the CMMG "FN" barrels.
We will post more info as it becomes available.
Mark
Well I understand that from where your sitting that makes sense, since you are driven by sales.
However I trust that you will not marginalize the customers who came in on the ground floor with pre-orders which enabled you the ability to present FN with sufficient numbers for sale purposes?
I have no interest in a NR SCAR, I hope we will be brought along the way and have the ability to get a shorter barrel in a timely manner?
It's always interesting to read posts where people just make assumptions and make statements as if they were fact. We did not take pre-orders "which enabled [us] the ability to present FN with sufficient number for sale purposes"... our pre-orders were taken simply to allocate guns to people on a first come first serve basis since supply is extremely limited right across North America. FN has nothing to do with this... they also have nothing to do with optional barrel lengths. FN has no interest in supplying custom barrel lengths for civilian market... in fact Herstal has little interest in the civilian market outside of the US.
I have no idea what you mean by "marginalize the customers who came in on the ground floor". At no time have we ever said made any commitment about "short barrels"... no promises made... nothing more than an indication that different barrels length might be available in future. What we did say early on was that we'd be working on a longer barrel to allow non-restricted versions of the rifle. Even then we did not and have not accepted any orders for longer barrels or non-restricted versions of the gun.
Our first priority is to get the guns classified and to get enough guns from FN to supply those customers who placed deposit/orders already. Our second priority continues to be making a longer barrel available for non-restricted registration of the guns. After that we'll look at short barrel options and see if there's enough interest to offer those.
This has always been the priority list as far as we're concerned... nothing has changed and I certainly don't see how any of that "marginalizes" anyone.
Mark
All the rhetoric aside, basically I want a 10.5" barrel, ASAP
I apologize for misinterpreting the method in which you used the "deposit" system to maintain a list for distribution. Its engaging to think that we will have a good supply of these rifles in the future. Well done.
I apologize for misinterpreting the method in which you used the "deposit" system to maintain a list for distribution. Its engaging to think that we will have a good supply of these rifles in the future. Well done.
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Any chance of seeing the .308 version before the end of the year.... or next year... I'm patient..... I have already many .223 rifles but lack a 308 thumper
FN told us we'd see limited shipment of 17s before end of 2010 but a lot depends on them fulfilling their government contracts first and any possible contract extensions. Rumours that the military's SCAR programs are being "cancelled" may be good news for the commercial market... as this would free up production capacity to start turning out commercial 17s models sooner rather than later... we'll have to wait and see what actually happens.
Mark
I just trying to clarify this
FN will not be making a Non Restricted SCAR (18.5" or longer barrel) from the factory.
So we would need to purchase a standard 16" SCAR.
Then down the road we would be able to purchase from you a longer Barrel (18.5) to re-register the SCAR to be non restricted.
The barrel will be produced by a 3rd party for you, not FN, I'm going to assume to the appropriate specs,
The price of the accessory barrel is TBD.
Will be have to depose of the 16" barrel to make the SCAR non-restricted?
Thanks
I just trying to clarify this
FN will not be making a Non Restricted SCAR (18.5" or longer barrel) from the factory.
So we would need to purchase a standard 16" SCAR.
Then down the road we would be able to purchase from you a longer Barrel (18.5) to re-register the SCAR to be non restricted.
The barrel will be produced by a 3rd party for you, not FN, I'm going to assume to the appropriate specs,
The price of the accessory barrel is TBD.
Will be have to depose of the 16" barrel to make the SCAR non-restricted?
Thanks
Essentially correct.
You can buy the SCAR with 16" barrel and then later modify it to 470mm barrel length and re-register it as non-restricted... or... you can wait (no estimate how long) and buy the non-restricted version with the longer barrel already installed (by us).
We do plan to offer a non-restricted version but at this time no estimate on when. First we need to be able to get quantity deliveries from FN so that we can fill all current backorders/demand. If I had to make a guess on timeframe I'd say towards end of 2010 we hope to offer the non-restricted version as a complete rifle. Prior to that we plan to offer the barrels for those who already own the guns and who want to re-register their's to non-restricted.
That's the "plan" anyway
Mark
masterduckmaster
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Essentially correct.
You can buy the SCAR with 16" barrel and then later modify it to 470mm barrel length and re-register it as non-restricted... or... you can wait (no estimate how long) and buy the non-restricted version with the longer barrel already installed (by us).
We do plan to offer a non-restricted version but at this time no estimate on when. First we need to be able to get quantity deliveries from FN so that we can fill all current backorders/demand. If I had to make a guess on timeframe I'd say towards end of 2010 we hope to offer the non-restricted version as a complete rifle. Prior to that we plan to offer the barrels for those who already own the guns and who want to re-register their's to non-restricted.
That's the "plan" anyway
Mark
thanks for the clarification! so either way, the longer barrrel will be third party scourced right? you guys are not going to bring the orginal 20 inch barrel from FN directly?
kev
If FN actually makes them available as a commercial product then we will of course order them and offer them, however, at this point that is a non-existent product.
The 2010 FN Commercial Catalogue/Dealer Price list does not show ANY barrel length other than the 16.25". They may well have a longer barrel and they may be planning to make it available commercially in future, but right now we deal in what's reality and at this time there is no FN 20" barrel available for commercial purchase/sales.
We're also not holding our breath waiting... which is why we're working on getting our own 470mm barrel.
Mark
Essentially correct.
You can buy the SCAR with 16" barrel and then later modify it to 470mm barrel length and re-register it as non-restricted... or... you can wait (no estimate how long) and buy the non-restricted version with the longer barrel already installed (by us).
We do plan to offer a non-restricted version but at this time no estimate on when. First we need to be able to get quantity deliveries from FN so that we can fill all current backorders/demand. If I had to make a guess on timeframe I'd say towards end of 2010 we hope to offer the non-restricted version as a complete rifle. Prior to that we plan to offer the barrels for those who already own the guns and who want to re-register their's to non-restricted.
That's the "plan" anyway
Mark
Sorry Mark, you are the specialist, but:
My understanding is, if a firearm is Non restricted you can get a shorter barrel for example and register this gun as restricted, HOWEVER once it is restricted it will always remain restricted, regardless if you put that longer barrel back in that gun.
Can you please comment.
Can't see how that would be the case... the law doesn't say anything like that... there is nothing in the legislation that states a gun can't change classification.
As far as I know several dealers have taken (for example) Beretta CX Storm rifles that were imported and registered as "Restricted" based on barrel length, then changed the barrels to 18.6" and re-registered the guns as non-Restricted based on the new barrel length. This has never been an issue as far as I know.
In fact several users here on Gunnutz have posted about changing the barrels on their FS2000 to over 18.6" and re-registering their rifles as non-restricted.
Mark
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There are cases in which 12.6 guns can be re-registered as restricted because of a new and/or change of barrel (ie. Glock 27)
It's a nice little loophole.
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Mark
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Mark
Not a loophole. A loophole implies doing something wrong. We are just working within the laws that have been forced upon us and we simply comply with them to the letter.
True. We are working within the law as it was written.
My only concern was the guys with the 12.6 pistols had to dispose of the barrel to remove the prohib. I'm wondering if you would have to do the same to "non-restrict" a rifle.....
