New to AR15. Charging handle question
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to be able to put optic on rifle
you like?
hit something with bullet at more than 50 yards
you like?
owning legally in canada
you like?
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p.s. you need to move your eye wayyyyyyyy closer to the peep sight, you probably dont have much experience with peep sights. focus on front sight, it will autmatically center on the rear sight, put your eye about 2-3 inches from the rear sight.
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Aside from my points in GREEN above lets start with no one cares what you're used to in Eastern Europe. Moving the selector backwards to fire like on the vz858 is not ergonomic and requires you to break your firing grip. Sweeping your thumb down on the selector of an AR is ergonomic and intuitive. By your logic the AK selector is wrong as fire position points down more than forward.
Reaching under for the mag release is incorrect and another hangover from Eastern European "rock and lock" designed rifles. Your trigger finger depresses the mag release on an AR.
It will survive drop tests just fine, it's been tested plenty for that and your "feelings" about it make no difference.
I believe the rifles used at Battlefield in Vegas are stock rifles with cool guy optics. I don't think they run any boutique rifles like Noveske or KAC. A full milspec AR can be had for under $2000 Cdn.
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This guy covered it all.
Basically, feelings have nothing to do with how a rifle performs. Lighter doesnt mean cheaper/more fragile.
Charging handle: get over it, its non recriprocating and its locked in position when bolt is held back on an empty mag. You either pull on it or use the bolt release to let the bolt fly forward on a fresh magazine. You can change the latch for a bigger one.
Storage: what do you need to store in your rifle ?!? An A1 stock has storage space in it and you can get a storage compartment for the pistol grip for batteries or a compact cleaning kit. Overall, there is nothing I need to use my AR that I need stored in it
Buffer tube: I dont know how tall you are, but if my 6'6 buddy can fire an AR confortably, so can you. And it is very solid. Seen a rifle falling out of the sky due to something that came loose (800-1000 feet)... And beside the broken Elcan C79, the rifle was inspected and still gets a 2-3 moa accuracy at 100m.
Pistol grip/handle "suck": compared to the small ak handle or no handle on SKS ? A2 is generic one size fits all that is easily swappable or you can dremel the finger groove.
Safety: easily operable with the thumb and not breaking the grip.
Attaching system: dont see a problem here as well
Sights: magpul back up sights are what they are, back up sight
not the best but still very shootableAgain, because an AR15 isnt as heavy and clunky as an SKS doesnt mean its fragile. Norincos sold for 499.99 a few years back and some are abused and still going. Some people will pay 3k for an AR, tell you its better because of the brand then manage to finish with lower scores at a match or never carried a military one for work...
Shot a M&P 15 sport 2 yesterday at the range, nothing wrong with the rifle and I'd buy one without hesitation. I've been using C7/C8 (military AR15) for the last 14 years and I dont feel the need to spend 2k-3k on a rifle when a 600$ rifle of the same family does the same thing. I spend the money I saved by buying more ammo. So dont worry, the AR15 in general, M&P 15 to be specific, is a strong lightweight rifle.
Enjoy the new toy and give it some time, it will grow on you and the SKS will start collecting dust in the back of the safe
^ +1.This guy covered it all.
Basically, feelings have nothing to do with how a rifle performs. Lighter doesnt mean cheaper/more fragile.
Charging handle: get over it, its non recriprocating and its locked in position when bolt is held back on an empty mag. You either pull on it or use the bolt release to let the bolt fly forward on a fresh magazine. You can change the latch for a bigger one.
Storage: what do you need to store in your rifle ?!? An A1 stock has storage space in it and you can get a storage compartment for the pistol grip for batteries or a compact cleaning kit. Overall, there is nothing I need to use my AR that I need stored in it
Buffer tube: I dont know how tall you are, but if my 6'6 buddy can fire an AR confortably, so can you. And it is very solid. Seen a rifle falling out of the sky due to something that came loose (800-1000 feet)... And beside the broken Elcan C79, the rifle was inspected and still gets a 2-3 moa accuracy at 100m.
Pistol grip/handle "suck": compared to the small ak handle or no handle on SKS ? A2 is generic one size fits all that is easily swappable or you can dremel the finger groove.
Safety: easily operable with the thumb and not breaking the grip.
Attaching system: dont see a problem here as well
Sights: magpul back up sights are what they are, back up sight
Again, because an AR15 isnt as heavy and clunky as an SKS doesnt mean its fragile. Norincos sold for 499.99 a few years back and some are abused and still going. Some people will pay 3k for an AR, tell you its better because of the brand then manage to finish with lower scores at a match or never carried a military one for work...
Shot a M&P 15 sport 2 yesterday at the range, nothing wrong with the rifle and I'd buy one without hesitation. I've been using C7/C8 (military AR15) for the last 14 years and I dont feel the need to spend 2k-3k on a rifle when a 600$ rifle of the same family does the same thing. I spend the money I saved by buying more ammo. So dont worry, the AR15 in general, M&P 15 to be specific, is a strong lightweight rifle.
Enjoy the new toy and give it some time, it will grow on you and the SKS will start collecting dust in the back of the safe
You summed it up very well.
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I agree! DT741, nicely worded bud!
Definitely new to peep sights, have to work on them
As to optic yes, I forgot to mention that one
Accuracy with open sights is same as sks
As to safety, well may be you have different magnetic poles, but my hands are big and when I grab the handle, my thumb is touching safety in fire position and rests over it. When gun is safe I don't have this issue.
The feeling affect the gun performance did you hear about weapon fit? It is a spiritual thing in many warrior cultures, I guess Kidd xx is not familiar with this philosophy. Rifles, guns, and war is a philosophy and Weapon feeling is very important. Anyhow, I will continue to experience AR platform trying to find that feeling.
See I took Sig pistol and had a feeling, I took glock and didn't it has nothing to do with precision.
It is hard to explain if u live only o materialistic grounds
I see many r offended by me EEuropean pissing on their beloved toy ARs, don't be, first it is about M&P only , not 100% on AR platform, which is not bad, and again your charging handle and safety r wrong ergonomically
As to optic yes, I forgot to mention that one
Accuracy with open sights is same as sks
As to safety, well may be you have different magnetic poles, but my hands are big and when I grab the handle, my thumb is touching safety in fire position and rests over it. When gun is safe I don't have this issue.
The feeling affect the gun performance did you hear about weapon fit? It is a spiritual thing in many warrior cultures, I guess Kidd xx is not familiar with this philosophy. Rifles, guns, and war is a philosophy and Weapon feeling is very important. Anyhow, I will continue to experience AR platform trying to find that feeling.
See I took Sig pistol and had a feeling, I took glock and didn't it has nothing to do with precision.
It is hard to explain if u live only o materialistic grounds
I see many r offended by me EEuropean pissing on their beloved toy ARs, don't be, first it is about M&P only , not 100% on AR platform, which is not bad, and again your charging handle and safety r wrong ergonomically
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You either have a special SKS, an average AR or your shooting skills are like mine! Hahaha! (Joke)!
I had AR-15 colt to shoulder-man that was a FEELING!
So it is not about AR-15
But 1700$-that would be my next one
and yes, I may be new to AR-15, but I know how to shoulder a "gun" and I recognize-I am new to peeps, so I have to work on those and that will change my usual way of shouldering , so completely new system and as I am not young, it will take some time of complaints which I am steaming out here on you guys
Don't get offended.
So it is not about AR-15
But 1700$-that would be my next one
and yes, I may be new to AR-15, but I know how to shoulder a "gun" and I recognize-I am new to peeps, so I have to work on those and that will change my usual way of shouldering , so completely new system and as I am not young, it will take some time of complaints which I am steaming out here on you guys
Don't get offended.
Well SKS accuracy is underestimated.
People who r used to AR, have some transition time to SKS sights, just like I do for peeps
Yes, the round is also not as accurate, but I do not see well after 200 yards anyhow
AND YES-I AGREE OPTIC OPTIONS on AR BIT ANY AK/ SKS etc-I AGREE I AGREE I AGREE-that's official now-I recognize things which are really really good
TO KIDD XX
man thanks for comments and suggestions, I guess it is not fair to compare deeply modernized AK / SKS to basic AR, but, I do not like the counterintuitive, at least for Russians/ EEuropeans safety pointing direction as well as strange charging handle position in the back of the rifle, I will get used to it, but in order to charge the rifle my left hand has to go all the way to the back. I agree right sided charging handle on SKS/ AK is stupid!!! See I may be objective as best as I can. And I agree, most of the time you will you bolt release-which is very very nice in AR15!
Again, I am not comparing basic SKS/ AK to MP15. Can you compare 1947 SKS/ AK design to modern AR? Come on, that's not fair too. All I am saying after so many years AR15 could be better design compared to grandfather SKS/ AK: charging handle on the side, flippable left and right, the safety direction flippable as well: seriously, I was talking to many EEuropeans and most noted that disconnect of safety direction... it is like iPhone: I bought iPhone to myself, my wife and my friends bought it too... after 3-4 hours of playing with it, we couldn't tolerate its OS, single button... even if it is like a brick and fits us in that regard. Right? that's how you think-Russians are -they like only bricks, not slim design, and yes we have bears on the streets, plenty of them and we do not shave and WW 2 we won because of 4 winters in a row, even though winter is 4-5 months only... etc.. what other cleches... Perestroika, Balalaika, Babushka, Gorbachev, Putin?
man thanks for comments and suggestions, I guess it is not fair to compare deeply modernized AK / SKS to basic AR, but, I do not like the counterintuitive, at least for Russians/ EEuropeans safety pointing direction as well as strange charging handle position in the back of the rifle, I will get used to it, but in order to charge the rifle my left hand has to go all the way to the back. I agree right sided charging handle on SKS/ AK is stupid!!! See I may be objective as best as I can. And I agree, most of the time you will you bolt release-which is very very nice in AR15!
Again, I am not comparing basic SKS/ AK to MP15. Can you compare 1947 SKS/ AK design to modern AR? Come on, that's not fair too. All I am saying after so many years AR15 could be better design compared to grandfather SKS/ AK: charging handle on the side, flippable left and right, the safety direction flippable as well: seriously, I was talking to many EEuropeans and most noted that disconnect of safety direction... it is like iPhone: I bought iPhone to myself, my wife and my friends bought it too... after 3-4 hours of playing with it, we couldn't tolerate its OS, single button... even if it is like a brick and fits us in that regard. Right? that's how you think-Russians are -they like only bricks, not slim design, and yes we have bears on the streets, plenty of them and we do not shave and WW 2 we won because of 4 winters in a row, even though winter is 4-5 months only... etc.. what other cleches... Perestroika, Balalaika, Babushka, Gorbachev, Putin?
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"on the vz858 is not ergonomic and requires you to break your firing grip"
This actually depends what hand you shoot. As a lefty, I find the CZ more ergonomic than the AR. I can hit the mag release with my trigger finger and the safety with thumb.
This actually depends what hand you shoot. As a lefty, I find the CZ more ergonomic than the AR. I can hit the mag release with my trigger finger and the safety with thumb.
Exactly, all I am saying is AR15 design is way later compared to SKS/AK.. and it is not staying in place... so simple things could become better and more versatile over so many years and as many believe it is the best mil. rifle in the World, which I doubt. One of the best service rifles, sure, not the best
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Hey PECHENEG,
Kudos to you for taking all this ribbing from us AR guys. Nice to see you not getting mad.
Just give the AR a chance. Listen to DT741 and KiddX. They have good info. Watch videos on Youtube and practice, practice, practice! You will soon see why the AR is still in use by most of the free world and the SKS is a parade rifle...but very shiny!!
Kudos to you for taking all this ribbing from us AR guys. Nice to see you not getting mad.
Just give the AR a chance. Listen to DT741 and KiddX. They have good info. Watch videos on Youtube and practice, practice, practice! You will soon see why the AR is still in use by most of the free world and the SKS is a parade rifle...but very shiny!!
absolutely, good advices from KiddXX, though do not agree on all things, but: 1) have to work on peep sights and because of that change my shouldering 2) with LAR15 mags will work on mag change 3) and of course will give it a chance, otherwise for 740CaD my wife will kill me.. she always says-f... 740$ and you don't like it....? suck it up and like it for a lot of money spent
Free World should be "free World" as there is no free World anymore we r living ina f... matrix
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Your wife is a smart lady! I assume you are in Quebec. Why don't you ask here for someone to help you out with tips with the AR in your area? DT741 is there, I believe.
Red or blue pill?
It don't matter what rifle your talking about there is no perfect one ....all of them have there pros and cons ! Everyone will have something they like or dislike about each different firearm and will need time in on them to be proficient at them.
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You're in luck! KiddX is there!!
