***New to Canada*** SAP6 MAG-FED FLAT-TOP 11.4" 12GA Shotgun **NON-RESTRICTED**

yuuup! said:
Actually, it works the other way around. If they made a semi-auto that used the same mag then any mags above 5 would be prohibited.

In this particular case our weird mag laws would work against us ...
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it could fall under the "dual purpose" like the pistol mags if you made a pistol version (one handed grip)
 
Dexter Morgan said:
I've seen magazine designations go both ways. Sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse.

I personally don't think it's worth the risk, when a decision could go either way.
I also think it's better to focus on perfecting the pump-action platform, rather than getting side-tracked and trying to introduce a mag-fed semi-auto.
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lots of demand for a mag fed semi rather than the conventional tube feed.
 
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Brian46 said:
it could fall under the "dual purpose" like the pistol mags if you made a pistol version (one handed grip)
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It could ... but unlikely in this case ...

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm

It would fall under #3. Same gun but different models, one semi and the other a pump... because the mags are designed specifically for use in both the semi and pump ...

It's not hard to figure this stuff out if you're willing to sift through all the legalese ...
 
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SAP6. Initial impression was a well thought out system. Points well good sturdy mags. Had several double feeds with the first 50 rounds, noticed front sight/rib screw had turned 90 degrees also found middle rib retaining screw was broken off. Took unit home for a tune up. First when removing trigger group make sure trigger is cocked before trying to remove or you will be searching for the metal cap that covers the trigger spring as I did. Gun did not come with any paper work but found it simple to figure out the parts orientation after looking the system over I figured the system needed some smoothing out so I covered all moving parts including the internals of the mags with valve lapping compound and worked the crap out the system. Cleaned it up and lubed all moving parts including mags. The rib on this gun is a poor fit from receiver to barrel requiring it to be sucked down to barrel with the screws. Tapped rib screw holes to a larger size. Then had the barrel threaded for tubes. This minimal work has made a huge difference in operation. Now runs much smoother and after 100 rounds with 0 feeding or extraction issues. Yes the saftey is a stiff one. You can be the judge on the difference the tubes make.
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Left target Cylinder bore 35 feet right target full choke 35 feet
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yuuup! said:
It could ... but unlikely in this case ...

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm

It would fall under #3. Same gun but different models, one semi and the other a pump... because the mags are designed specifically for use in both the semi and pump ...

It's not hard to figure this stuff out if you're willing to sift through all the legalese ...
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I am not talking about a semi made/designed/advertised to take mags from a pump. One with it's own design and mag that just so happens to work with an existing magazine from a different manufacturer as well.
 
Had my first big malfunction with mine today.

I had a new shooter with me that wanted to try it. First shot of the day, a target load of birdshot, and the gun locked up solid after firing. I was not able to clear it at the range despite significant force being put into the pump, so made it safe and took it home with the empty jammed in the chamber.

Used the old "hold the charging handle and slam the butt to the ground" technique at home, and the bolt finally opened, the extractor slipped off the shell leaving it in the chamber.

Got a cleaning rod and knocked the empty out. The steel rim was ballooned to hell, explaining the hard extract.


My thinking is that since he was a new shooter and not familiar with the gun, he put some back pressure on the pump, and fired it slightly out of battery, causing the shell to expand and jam in the chamber.

No damage or catastrophic failure fortunately, but something to keep an eye on for you guys, as I played around with the gun afterwards, and it seems that this gun will still impact a primer with the gun as much as a 1/4" out of battery (just like a Ruger 10/22), causing what I saw today.


Not a safety issue as of yet, but don't put back pressure on a spring loaded pump shotgun when firing.


Just my .02.
 
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Kevin M. said:
Had my first big malfunction with mine today.

I had a new shooter with me that wanted to try it. First shot of the day, a target load of birdshot, and the gun locked up solid after firing. I was not able to clear it at the range despite significant force being put into the pump, so made it safe and took it home with the empty jammed in the chamber.

Used the old "hold the charging handle and slam the butt to the ground" technique at home, and the bolt finally opened, the extractor slipped off the shell leaving it in the chamber.

Got a cleaning rod and knocked the empty out. The steel rim was ballooned to hell, explaining the hard extract.

How could he not have known that would happen?!??
My thinking is that since he was a new shooter and not familiar with the gun, he put some back pressure on the pump, and fired it slightly out of battery, causing the shell to expand and jam in the chamber.

No damage or catastrophic failure fortunately, but something to keep an eye on for you guys, as I played around with the gun afterwards, and it seems that this gun will still impact a primer with the gun as much as a 1/4" out of battery (just like a Ruger 10/22), causing what I saw today.



Not a safety issue as of yet, but don't put back pressure on a spring loaded pump shotgun when firing.


Just my .02.
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This has been my biggest concern with this gun from the get-go. I really don't understand why they wouldn't have gone with a more conventional bolt locking mechanism.
 
oneguywithsixguns said:
Serious question: Does anyone know for sure if there is anything illegal, in writing, about this?
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Looks cool, but not sure how the rail will hold up to the recoil. The rail isn't machined in the receiver, not sure if it can handle the forces involved being shot in that configuration. Wasnt tested for this kind of use in any case.
 
Out of curiosity was it low brass target load?

I've only shot slugs out of it so far without any issues but I have been concerned about that very problem ...
 
I'll have to take a look at mine. But I'm pretty sure the 2 screws that hold the rail on to the SAP6 aren't going to last through the first mag ...

Make it work though and you'll be getting a PM from me for instructions ...
 
yuuup! said:
Out of curiosity was it low brass target load?

I've only shot slugs out of it so far without any issues but I have been concerned about that very problem ...
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Yup, low brass target loads. Here's a good pic of the ballooned shell rim. Note the extractor mark from where I had to sledgehammer the bolt open, and it slipped off the shell.



 
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