***NEW to Canada***TYPE 81 7.62X39 SERVICE RIFLE**TAKING PREORDERS**NON-RESTRICTED
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Norinco has already been stamping new firearms in accordance with UN markings for a few years now. I own several Norinco Rifles clearly marked CN - for China, CA - for Canada and the year of import. Don't tell what is left of the NFA that though - it would spoil their fear-mongering fundraising efforts.
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Seems like the best time to have one. Production hasn't started yet. If the reviewers find flaws or issues they can be fixed or addressed before China spools up.
Crowd source production feedback before the machines spool up.
Well that us a good point fence....... but I wonder how much that big factory really cares about what we think of these t81s they'll build them when they want ship them when they want and if we don't likem pffff on us! Is the way it seems anyhow!
I hope I'm wrong
I hope I'm wrong
The marking has to be done once it enters Canada so Norinco wouldn't be able to pre-mark it, it would have to be done by the importer or a service once it gets to Canada. Not sure if that is what you are saying is happening now or not (maybe some marking is happening in Canada and we aren't aware?). Its a useless policy put forward by the U.N. that clearly states their end goal is complete disarmament. If you want to downplay what going along with an organization like that means for us then you really are standing in the wrong room.
If only...
Hunting Gear Guy would be my first choice. Wouldn't be surprised if TFB somehow got their hands on one for a review, they seem to get a lot of guns from a lot of places, and they keep on top of firearms news in Canada. Also, maybe Caliber magazine...?
If and when this UN marking in finally implemented here, it will be a dog's breakfast for sure. If it has to happen, I can only hope it's a looong way off and we can find some loopholes to take advantage of...
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By then there won't be much ALLOWED in to mark anyway
Fix it for ya
#1bcshooter
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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I like the idea of independent reviews...what could they be worried about in a review? They shot it, the cops shot it, probably a lot...it would be nice to have a closer look, and someone's opinion of balance, ergonomics etc...maybe the prototype is super inaccurate, lol...
It is a useless policy but it is not even a fraction as ruinous as the remnants of the NFA claim. There is nothing to stipulate that it has to be done by the importer - the manufacturer can do it themselves - I will post photos later. China must have already signed onto the treaty which is why their firearms are marked. As far as the UN goes - they have no authority to impose anything upon any member state and have proven powerless to enforce even their own sanctions.
Firearms cannot be marked at the point of manufacture. Firearms can only be marked AFTER they are released from Canadian Border Services Agency (CBSA) and they must be marked within 60 days of their release from CBSA. There are many valid reasons for this, but for Canadian gun owners it cannot be done at the cheapest point in the manufacturing process, at the gun manufacturer’s facility. It must be done in a Canadian facility that, at this time, does not exist.
Not true at all. Here is the text of the regulation.
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2004-275/page-1.html
All it says is that the firearm must be marked less than 60 days after it's release from CBSA, it does NOT say that the firearm cannot be marked by the manufacturer and it compels Canadian manufacturers to actually mark export firearms in that manner before export.
Like I said, I will show you actual examples when I get home tonight. A couple of recent purchases were marked in that manner - by the manufacturer.
You have a source or a link to support this?
CSSA E-News Sept 9
Why can't the manufacturers apply the marking when the firearm is manufactured? Because Canada’s Bill C-10 Regulations state precisely when those markings must be applied:
3. (1) Every individual, business or public service agency that imports a firearm shall ensure that the firearm is marked in accordance with section 4 before the 60th day after its release as defined in subsection 2(1) of the Customs Act or before transferring the firearm, whichever occurs first.
Further to this point is the spirit of the C-10A legislation. The UN Marking is intended to be an import mark, not an export mark. If the manufacturer marks the firearm with the UN-correct marking, it only serves to identify that the manufacturer intends to ship the firearm to Canada, not that the firearm has actually been imported to Canada.
Firearms cannot be marked at the point of manufacture. Firearms can only be marked AFTER they are released from Canadian Border Services Agency (CBSA) and they must be marked within 60 days of their release from CBSA. There are many valid reasons for this, but for Canadian gun owners it cannot be done at the cheapest point in the manufacturing process, at the gun manufacturer’s facility. It must be done in a Canadian facility that, at this time, does not exist.
http://www.nanaimofishandgameclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/UN-Marking-2015.pdf
Why can't the manufacturers apply the marking when the firearm is manufactured? Because Canada’s Bill C-10 Regulations state precisely when those markings must be applied:
3. (1) Every individual, business or public service agency that imports a firearm shall ensure that the firearm is marked in accordance with section 4 before the 60th day after its release as defined in subsection 2(1) of the Customs Act or before transferring the firearm, whichever occurs first.
Further to this point is the spirit of the C-10A legislation. The UN Marking is intended to be an import mark, not an export mark. If the manufacturer marks the firearm with the UN-correct marking, it only serves to identify that the manufacturer intends to ship the firearm to Canada, not that the firearm has actually been imported to Canada.
Firearms cannot be marked at the point of manufacture. Firearms can only be marked AFTER they are released from Canadian Border Services Agency (CBSA) and they must be marked within 60 days of their release from CBSA. There are many valid reasons for this, but for Canadian gun owners it cannot be done at the cheapest point in the manufacturing process, at the gun manufacturer’s facility. It must be done in a Canadian facility that, at this time, does not exist.
http://www.nanaimofishandgameclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/UN-Marking-2015.pdf
Well, that doesn't say the manufacturer "can't" do the marking though, does it? And by "spirit", do you mean the way you're interpreting it? As for the link you included, the issue it highlights it that because the Canadian market is so small, the it might not be worth it for the manufacturer to mark out-going inventory as Canadian-specific, meaning the importer will have to do it (it then goes on about how costly this would be). But, again, I don't see where there is any law that actually prevents the manufacturers from doing it. If they refuse to do the marking, that could for sure be a pain in the ass (and wallet), but why would they refuse? Look at how some of them have actually made efforts to accommodate the Canadian market. Don't get me wrong, anything is possible, and as I've already said, I'm sure there are going to be a ton of problems with this program.
That said, do have a link that shows a law or regulation that specifically states "Firearms cannot be marked at the point of manufacture. Firearms can only be marked AFTER they are released from Canadian Border Services Agency (CBSA)", as you have stated above?
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