***NEW to Canada***TYPE 81 7.62X39 SERVICE RIFLE**TAKING PREORDERS**NON-RESTRICTED

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keitha said:
I am not stating this, I am copying and pasting what the CSSA sent to me. I prey that it can be done out of country and manufactures are willing to do this for us.

http://myemail.constantcontact.com/...-2016.html?soid=1124731702303&aid=oBttDf0mH0M
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I see, so it wasn't you saying this, it was, whoever, that wrote this piece for the CSSA newsletter, that is saying it. Thanks for the link and for clearing that up at least. But, I still don't see what they're basing this claim on.

Why can't the manufacturers apply the marking when the firearm is manufactured? Because Canada’s Bill C-10 Regulations state precisely when those markings must be applied:

3. (1) Every individual, business or public service agency that imports a firearm shall ensure that the firearm is marked in accordance with section 4 before the 60th day after its release as defined in subsection 2(1) of the Customs Act or before transferring the firearm, whichever occurs first.
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It says that they must be marked by the 60-day point after their release. But where does it say that they can't be marked before the release, or even before they arrive?

Let's take these Type 81's for example. At some point, after production finally starts, I don't see why TI (or the importer/exporter/middle-man) can't go over to China, or find some other way, to "ensure the mark is there", on the specific rifles they are buying and shipping to Canada. They'll arrive in Canada already marked and good to go.
 
I would say triple your order as per your exporter. Judging demand by the few that are willing to pay in full up front is I think misguided....
I think there are potentialy 3-5,000 within the first few months customers in Canada willing to buy a T81
And it looks like CA is bringing in another shipment of non-corrosive ammo shortly.
So T81 plus ammo = happy customers
My best quess anyways.......
 
Here's the thing...you have to take every thing these advocacy groups say with a grain of salt. The NFA was always the worst for it but to one degree or another - the bread and butter of these organizations is fear. Fear of what the government may or may not do is what drives their fundraising. Because of that, they are going to dream up the absolute worst case scenario every time and sell it as being the norm. Why? Because they want to scare you into giving them your money to get them to stop the government from taking whatever action. That is the reality here - it's amazing how many threads get derailed into doomsday fests based on rumour and innuendo.
 
Mantis said:
Here's the thing...you have to take every thing these advocacy groups say with a grain of salt. The NFA was always the worst for it but to one degree or another - the bread and butter of these organizations is fear. Fear of what the government may or may not do is what drives their fundraising. Because of that, they are going to dream up the absolute worst case scenario every time and sell it as being the norm. Why? Because they want to scare you into giving them your money to get them to stop the government from taking whatever action. That is the reality here - it's amazing how many threads get derailed into doomsday fests based on rumour and innuendo.
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Well sure, but keep in mind that it is the unforeseen worst case scenarios that are the problems with new legislation. If it is not clear were, how and when firearms are to be marked, it allows the bureaucrats to decide for themselves. Typically they choose what gives them control and they really don't care about the cost or inconvenience to the owners. I have had several people suggest that there are no issues with the UN marking scheme because antiques are exempt. The problem is that they are not "clearly" exempted. It reads very much like a discretionary exemption to me. So do we provide feed back now before the regulations come into force, or later after a bureaucrat has forced you to damage your irreplaceable, pristine collector piece?
 
Shooting Centre said:
Well sure, but keep in mind that it is the unforeseen worst case scenarios that are the problems with new legislation. If it is not clear were, how and when firearms are to be marked, it allows the bureaucrats to decide for themselves. Typically they choose what gives them control and they really don't care about the cost or inconvenience to the owners. I have had several people suggest that there are no issues with the UN marking scheme because antiques are exempt. The problem is that they are not "clearly" exempted. It reads very much like a discretionary exemption to me. So do we provide feed back now before the regulations come into force, or later after a bureaucrat has forced you to damage your irreplaceable, pristine collector piece?
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Actually, under that regulation, there is a specific exemption for cases just like that.
 
Mantis said:
Here's the thing...you have to take every thing these advocacy groups say with a grain of salt. The NFA was always the worst for it but to one degree or another - the bread and butter of these organizations is fear. Fear of what the government may or may not do is what drives their fundraising. Because of that, they are going to dream up the absolute worst case scenario every time and sell it as being the norm. Why? Because they want to scare you into giving them your money to get them to stop the government from taking whatever action. That is the reality here - it's amazing how many threads get derailed into doomsday fests based on rumour and innuendo.
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Well said, and for the most part, I agree with your comments. But keep one thing in mind... sometimes the 'boogey-man' is real, and is this case, the "worst case scenario" is entirely possible, especially with this government.
 
Mantis said:
Here's the thing...you have to take every thing these advocacy groups say with a grain of salt. The NFA was always the worst for it but to one degree or another - the bread and butter of these organizations is fear. Fear of what the government may or may not do is what drives their fundraising. Because of that, they are going to dream up the absolute worst case scenario every time and sell it as being the norm. Why? Because they want to scare you into giving them your money to get them to stop the government from taking whatever action. That is the reality here - it's amazing how many threads get derailed into doomsday fests based on rumour and innuendo.
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I bag to differ, show me at any point in all of history were some group or government was not trying to take total control. Greed and lust for power have always been engraved in political pursuit. And if you don't believe me. Go to the U.N website and read "Post 2015 UN agenda. Or page 223 of the 2016 Canadian Federal tax budget, heading will be "bail in regime". Short form of it is, Trudeau is giving power to the Bank of Canada to remove funds out of every man, women and childs bank account that is a Canadian citizen(shareholder).
 
The amount of interest these rifles are getting is crazy. Originally I wasn't a fan, but I've seen and heard so much that now I want one too. TI should do well with these if they can get them here and distributed quickly. Looking forward to seeing user reviews come out on these. I agree with a comment made earlier about demand - I'm sure demand is a lot higher than indicated by preorder sales. Given the political climate, I'm sure once they're here safe and sound I'm sure these will grow wings red bull style and fly out of the crates. Nice to hear rumours (?) of more inbound surplus for these guys after hearing other logical rumours that the european conflict is putting a damper on the old com bloc surplus.

Cheers
 
akonecsni said:
The amount of interest these rifles are getting is crazy. Originally I wasn't a fan, but I've seen and heard so much that now I want one too. Nice to hear rumours (?) of more inbound surplus for these guys after hearing other logical rumours that the european conflict is putting a damper on the old com bloc surplus.

Cheers
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Post #15 of CA's What Happened to the Ammo thread " Norinco is due this Fall"
 
Mantis said:
Actually, under that regulation, there is a specific exemption for cases just like that.
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(2) The markings shall

(a) be legible;

(b) have a depth of at least 0.076 mm and a height of at least 1.58 mm; and

(c) subject to subsection (3), be visible without the need to disassemble the firearm.

(3) In the case of an imported firearm, the Registrar, on application by the individual, business or public service agency that is importing it, shall grant the applicant an exemption from the requirement set out in paragraph (2)(c) if

(a) marking the firearm in a place that is visible only by disassembling the firearm is consistent with the current practices of the manufacturer of that model of firearm;

(b) the firearm does not provide a visible space suitable to stamp or engrave the markings;

(c) the firearm is rare;

(d) the firearm is of a value that is unusually high for that type of firearm and that value would be significantly reduced if the markings were visible without disassembly; or

(e) the firearm is imported by a business that holds a licence for the purpose of using the firearm in respect of motion picture, television, video or theatrical productions or in publishing activities.
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Who will determine rarity or value? My experience dealing with CBSA in the past is that they avoid these types of exemptions where ever possible.
 
Canadian brother said:
Sks that looks like a ak 47.

How does its accuracy compare to the sks or vz cz rifles ?
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it is tempting to call it SKS, but it is not. You can watch field strip and review on youtube yourself.

Gas system reminds me of SVD, trigger group is unique, receiver reminds me of RPK. The actual military Type 81 is more robust than Typer 56 (which is as good as russian AKM). BCG design and longer recoil distance also reduce the flip characteristic to AK family.

We can only hope that because they will be made in the same run as PLA order, quality will be on par.
 
GUB said:
I would say triple your order as per your exporter. Judging demand by the few that are willing to pay in full up front is I think misguided....
I think there are potentialy 3-5,000 within the first few months customers in Canada willing to buy a T81
And it looks like CA is bringing in another shipment of non-corrosive ammo shortly.
So T81 plus ammo = happy customers
My best quess anyways.......
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T97's were $1150+ initially and sold quickly for a while.... everyone was pissing their pants for a NR bullpup in 5.56. Now our dollar is in the ####ter and they are sitting on shelves not moving for $800. NS is even paying 3rd parties to install the FTR and ceracote them to try and get them moving.
There is a market for these, but it's not that big. Once novelty wears off, you are left with function and form.
 
I disagree that this is a novelty that will fade fast. Just look at how many millions have been spent by people trying to make their SKS look like one of these.
 
The t97 didnt appeal to left handers or tall people its a true novelty item. T81 actually might have decent sights ans not ftf every mag so im thinking it will be a hit like the cz858
 
Fordtrucks said:
The t97 didnt appeal to left handers or tall people its a true novelty item. T81 actually might have decent sights ans not ftf every mag so im thinking it will be a hit like the cz858
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My T97 has been more reliable than any AR-15 ive used. It never failed. Im 6'1 and no problem with LOP
 
John Rambo said:
My T97 has been more reliable than any AR-15 ive used. It never failed. Im 6'1 and no problem with LOP
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1) what brand of AR did you use ?

2) how many rounds have you fired with the T97 so far ?

3) have you modified it in order to make it function properly ?

I was interested in T97 for its compact size, but trying some made me change my mind.
 
Chumlee Bumsnag said:
I disagree that this is a novelty that will fade fast. Just look at how many millions have been spent by people trying to make their SKS look like one of these.
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There is a whole world of aftermarket cheap garbage for the SKS, all of which detract from it's actual appeal IMHO, SKS is best in OEM form.... and there is zero for the T81. As soon as people realize they can't hit anything with the irons, and there is no efficient way to mount optics, the love affair will be over.
 
Who is to say they won't be able to hit anything with the irons!?!?!?!
Again this isnt a cheap sks. I can easily ring gongs out to 300y with iron sights on my vz.
How would thay be any different
 
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