Your right, I apologize for my stupid reply to my liberal friend from BC... there indeed was no reason for that
***NEW to Canada***TYPE 81 7.62X39 SERVICE RIFLE**TAKING PREORDERS**NON-RESTRICTED
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Your right, I apologize for my stupid reply to my liberal friend from BC... there indeed was no reason for that
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I went and bought a case of Chinese 7.62 X 39 today even though I had lots of Russian stuff. I was hoping to influence some Zen / yoga / butterfly wing type inspiration into the universe and get things moving. 
I agree as comments made like that should have ZERO tolerance in this forum
I don't know why people are complaining about this, if you don't like it you can shut up and wait or ask for a refund. Even more so, I don't know why people that haven't bought one are even arguing on this thread - why are you even here?
I bought one as soon as it got out, it got delayed I coped with it, yesterday I got fed up and asked for a refund for two reasons. 1) I can be doing something productive with my money than having it just sitting there. 2) Im not throwing my hard earned money into the Chinese economy if they're going to treat me as a second option I don't care how small our order is they should respect it.
I bought one as soon as it got out, it got delayed I coped with it, yesterday I got fed up and asked for a refund for two reasons. 1) I can be doing something productive with my money than having it just sitting there. 2) Im not throwing my hard earned money into the Chinese economy if they're going to treat me as a second option I don't care how small our order is they should respect it.
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yup. I Re-read it. The butterfly effect it has no place here.
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As we've said before, we can't update with news we don't have...
With regards of production there seems to be a widespread understanding for some reason that our order will take months and months to complete, when in fact with a factory of this size it would only take a week or two. In fact most modern arms factories, even small ones can output large numbers in a short period of time. Most of the waiting for any order, regardless of manufacturer is scheduling of production. There is downtime when production lines are switched from one model to another. Time is money which is why different models are batched together to reduce the number of production line changeovers and downtime. In our case the T81 production line had not been set-up yet and an additional significant military order came in, so they kept on going.
We know that many don't want to hear this, but we are lucky to be getting the T81's in the first place. On the grand scale of things Canada is a ridiculously small market that demands significant time and resources for approval and production of guns like these, not to mention 3-4 year waiting periods that may or may not prove successful. There are a number of other cases and opportunities for Canada that don't happen because it is simply too much to ask of manufacturers. The PPS-43 for example, needs some revisions and it is quite a challenge convincing the manufacturer to make some changes for our market. We're not sure if they will do them. Pioneer Arms is significantly smaller than EMEI. Nothing personal against Canadians, it's just business and that means dedicating precious time/resources to projects that will yield the most profit.
We hate pre-orders more than you guys, believe us. Dealing with loads of angry people, being called lairs and our reputation damaged, time spent processing and bookkeeping refunds, not ideal. But it is the only way we could ensure that anyone that wants a gun will get one. The other option was smaller orders, panic buying and longer lead times which we didn't want to do. As we have mentioned, you are free to cancel your order with no penalty and no questions asked, but it is the support of ongoing orders that allows us to pursue other opportunities such as these, and possibly convince the manufacturer to produce variants such as the underfolder, LMG, and 5.45x39 versions.
With regards of production there seems to be a widespread understanding for some reason that our order will take months and months to complete, when in fact with a factory of this size it would only take a week or two. In fact most modern arms factories, even small ones can output large numbers in a short period of time. Most of the waiting for any order, regardless of manufacturer is scheduling of production. There is downtime when production lines are switched from one model to another. Time is money which is why different models are batched together to reduce the number of production line changeovers and downtime. In our case the T81 production line had not been set-up yet and an additional significant military order came in, so they kept on going.
We know that many don't want to hear this, but we are lucky to be getting the T81's in the first place. On the grand scale of things Canada is a ridiculously small market that demands significant time and resources for approval and production of guns like these, not to mention 3-4 year waiting periods that may or may not prove successful. There are a number of other cases and opportunities for Canada that don't happen because it is simply too much to ask of manufacturers. The PPS-43 for example, needs some revisions and it is quite a challenge convincing the manufacturer to make some changes for our market. We're not sure if they will do them. Pioneer Arms is significantly smaller than EMEI. Nothing personal against Canadians, it's just business and that means dedicating precious time/resources to projects that will yield the most profit.
We hate pre-orders more than you guys, believe us. Dealing with loads of angry people, being called lairs and our reputation damaged, time spent processing and bookkeeping refunds, not ideal. But it is the only way we could ensure that anyone that wants a gun will get one. The other option was smaller orders, panic buying and longer lead times which we didn't want to do. As we have mentioned, you are free to cancel your order with no penalty and no questions asked, but it is the support of ongoing orders that allows us to pursue other opportunities such as these, and possibly convince the manufacturer to produce variants such as the underfolder, LMG, and 5.45x39 versions.
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Meh - people like to B*tch on the internet. I don't have a pre-order in but appreciate TI's taking the time to get them. I usually treat pre-orders like a mystery prize - pay for it, forget about it and one day it shows up! Usually when I'm having a ####ty day and I need a bit of a morale boost, so it's always fun!
Looking forward to see these come in.
Looking forward to see these come in.
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Thanks TI. We appreciate the blurb even if there is no update.
I have noticed that people like to complain no matter what. I see it a lot with the American gun communities as well, so it is by no means unique to us.
Just illustrates the old saying of "you can't please everyone all the time".
With the T81, I would be down for the LMG version.
Just illustrates the old saying of "you can't please everyone all the time".
With the T81, I would be down for the LMG version.
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If you bring it, they will come.
Nothing shoots 5.45 in Canada right now, but with all the companies who have connections in Eastern Europe, I'm sure there's tons of 5.45 sitting around there that can't be sent to the US that would end up making its way here in short order were there a market for it.
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How many rifles would have to be in canada to even warrant bringing it in?
If I'm correct caandammo and sfrc both list it.
Will it be in short supply (probably for the time being) would crates eventually trickle in- more then likely
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