New to me Walther KKJ-T

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I recently aquired this beauty off the EE and can't wait to get out and try it.It has the set type trigger which only goes down to about 1.2lbs.On rimfire central most say its in the ounces.It does have a fair bit of travel in the trigger and I haven't figured out the adjustment for the travel yet.Bore is fantastic from my eye!Nice wood a little light but only 1 small ding.Nice checkering on the pistol grip.I had a adjustable cheek riser kicking around so i"ll use it for bench work.My rings are a little high but its very hard to find a decent selection of 11mm dovetail rings for 30mm in canada.The rings are BKL's.The wing safety doesn't go right over to put it in safety,not sure if i'm doing something wrong but didn't want to force it.The single shot loading tray looks brand new.From the serial # I think its a 1968 vintage.It did come with the diopter sights but i'm using an optic for my older eyes.The Germans sure now how to build a quality piece.heres a few pics.
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You have th match trigger. The Stecker (sp) or set trigger is usually a double set of triggers in the Walther line up. If you need copies on how to adjust, I have a manual that I can take a few pics of the trigger setup.

Once you get it to your liking, it is the best trigger you will find.

Congratulations, and welcome to the world of Walther!!! I have 2 myself, and they are jewels!
 
Got Juice? said:
You have th match trigger. The Stecker (sp) or set trigger is usually a double set of triggers in the Walther line up. If you need copies on how to adjust, I have a manual that I can take a few pics of the trigger setup.

Once you get it to your liking, it is the best trigger you will find.

Congratulations, and welcome to the world of Walther!!! I have 2 myself, and they are jewels!
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Thanks I figured it out .I adjusted all the creep out and moved the trigger shoe forward.Its breaking consistantly at 1lbs now.
 
Got Juice? said:
You have th match trigger. The Stecker (sp) or set trigger is usually a double set of triggers in the Walther line up. If you need copies on how to adjust, I have a manual that I can take a few pics of the trigger setup.

Once you get it to your liking, it is the best trigger you will find.

Congratulations, and welcome to the world of Walther!!! I have 2 myself, and they are jewels!
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The KKJ-T has a set trigger. It's operated by means of the "plunger" in front of the trigger guard.
 
Got Juice? said:
Set triggers can be either depending on terminology right or wrong :) Usually a set trigger is pushed forward to set the first stage. I still see the standard match trigger on the gun :)
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Take a look at the KKJ-T trigger. It's the one in the first photo. It clearly has the plunger to set the trigger. It isn't the "standard match trigger," which follows in the second photo. Perhaps the OP can tell us which one his KKJ-T has.


 
The plunger changes weight of pull by 50% Hardly a set trigger. A correct set trigger requires 2 actions in the mechanism. 1 action by either setting trigger #1, or by pushing the trigger straight ahead a la tikka T3, CZ.

Then using the second blade as the release, or pulling the main trigger.

In this instance you are incorrect.
 
Got Juice? said:
The plunger changes weight of pull by 50% Hardly a set trigger. A correct set trigger requires 2 actions in the mechanism. 1 action by either setting trigger #1, or by pushing the trigger straight ahead a la tikka T3, CZ.

Then using the second blade as the release, or pulling the main trigger.

In this instance you are incorrect.
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If I am incorrect it wouldn't be the first time and I don't mind admitting it. Nevertheless, you may be the one who is still in error.

The following was posted on RFC a while back by someone who is quite knowledgeable about not only the KKJ-T rifle but also it's trigger. His RFC moniker is Prairiewalker. His description leaves no doubt as to whether it is or isn't a set trigger, as it is about 3 lbs when unset and down to mere ounces when set. But perhaps your experience trumps his. Of course Ryan can tell us what trigger it is, that is whether it has the plunger or not.

In regard to the trigger, right now your rifle has a very nice match quality 3lb two-stage trigger. Now take the end of a key or a screwdriver and gently, without scratching the blueing, rotate the slotted piece inside that thing in front of the trigger guard anti-clockwise about one quarter of a turn. The thing you rotate will pop out about half an inch under moderate spring pressure. You will then have a very nice 4oz two-stage trigger. Yes, four ounces, or less! Have fun!!!

It is really a single set trigger as opposed to the more commonly known double set trigger. Actually this Walther trigger is unusual because most ordinary single triggers are just some levers actuating a catch mechanism that releases the cocked firing pin against spring pressure. Your Walther trigger is a set trigger because the trigger itself is cocked and is not merely a catch holding the firing pin.

To see this in operation, remove the bolt and insert your finger into the receiver and push the trigger sear down with your finger until it cocks. Now try firing the rifle (without inserting the bolt) in the normal way by sqeezing the trigger and you will find that the trigger "fires" when it releases rather than just moving.

P.S. I would give my right arm to own that rifle since I traded my Walther KKJ-T with the same trigger except that then I would not be able to shoot it!

See h t t p://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3428725&postcount=2
 
grauhanen said:
If I am incorrect it wouldn't be the first time and I don't mind admitting it. Nevertheless, you may be the one who is still in error.

The following was posted on RFC a while back by someone who is quite knowledgeable about not only the KKJ-T rifle but also it's trigger. His RFC moniker is Prairiewalker. His description leaves no doubt as to whether it is or isn't a set trigger, as it is about 3 lbs when unset and down to mere ounces when set. But perhaps your experience trumps his. Of course Ryan can tell us what trigger it is, that is whether it has the plunger or not.

In regard to the trigger, right now your rifle has a very nice match quality 3lb two-stage trigger. Now take the end of a key or a screwdriver and gently, without scratching the blueing, rotate the slotted piece inside that thing in front of the trigger guard anti-clockwise about one quarter of a turn. The thing you rotate will pop out about half an inch under moderate spring pressure. You will then have a very nice 4oz two-stage trigger. Yes, four ounces, or less! Have fun!!!

It is really a single set trigger as opposed to the more commonly known double set trigger. Actually this Walther trigger is unusual because most ordinary single triggers are just some levers actuating a catch mechanism that releases the cocked firing pin against spring pressure. Your Walther trigger is a set trigger because the trigger itself is cocked and is not merely a catch holding the firing pin.

To see this in operation, remove the bolt and insert your finger into the receiver and push the trigger sear down with your finger until it cocks. Now try firing the rifle (without inserting the bolt) in the normal way by sqeezing the trigger and you will find that the trigger "fires" when it releases rather than just moving.

P.S. I would give my right arm to own that rifle since I traded my Walther KKJ-T with the same trigger except that then I would not be able to shoot it!

See h t t p://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3428725&postcount=2
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Could be just an incorrect application of terminology.

I have 2 factory manuals with my rifles, and one showing Walther's set trigger. my 60's Vintage UIT manual shows a reverse blade in the front of the trigger guard. The Main trigger is in the standard location.

My 80's Manual shows another version where the set trigger is at the rear of the trigger gaurd, and then a knurled post hair trigger in front of it.

When you look at the Pages 12-15 In the link I posted, those pages deal with the Set Trigger. Including naming all the parts.



The Match trigger has a force multiplying spring in it. Pages 10 and 11. detail 14 shows the weight adjustment screw. here is the kicker. The actual weight is adjusted using the tiny screw within the plunger. Then if you wish for a heavier pull, you push the plunger in, and then 1/4 turn, and the weight increases by roughly 45-50%

In Rifle Silhouette, I can only compete with my Walthers when the plunger is OUT and I adjust the pull to the min weight. If I push the plunger in, I get DQ'd :)
 
grauhanen said:
If I am incorrect it wouldn't be the first time and I don't mind admitting it. Nevertheless, you may be the one who is still in error.

The following was posted on RFC a while back by someone who is quite knowledgeable about not only the KKJ-T rifle but also it's trigger. His RFC moniker is Prairiewalker. His description leaves no doubt as to whether it is or isn't a set trigger, as it is about 3 lbs when unset and down to mere ounces when set. But perhaps your experience trumps his. Of course Ryan can tell us what trigger it is, that is whether it has the plunger or not.

In regard to the trigger, right now your rifle has a very nice match quality 3lb two-stage trigger. Now take the end of a key or a screwdriver and gently, without scratching the blueing, rotate the slotted piece inside that thing in front of the trigger guard anti-clockwise about one quarter of a turn. The thing you rotate will pop out about half an inch under moderate spring pressure. You will then have a very nice 4oz two-stage trigger. Yes, four ounces, or less! Have fun!!!

It is really a single set trigger as opposed to the more commonly known double set trigger. Actually this Walther trigger is unusual because most ordinary single triggers are just some levers actuating a catch mechanism that releases the cocked firing pin against spring pressure. Your Walther trigger is a set trigger because the trigger itself is cocked and is not merely a catch holding the firing pin.

To see this in operation, remove the bolt and insert your finger into the receiver and push the trigger sear down with your finger until it cocks. Now try firing the rifle (without inserting the bolt) in the normal way by sqeezing the trigger and you will find that the trigger "fires" when it releases rather than just moving.

P.S. I would give my right arm to own that rifle since I traded my Walther KKJ-T with the same trigger except that then I would not be able to shoot it!

See h t t p://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3428725&postcount=2
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This same procedure can be performed with the 1980's vintage KKM, GX1, Silhouette, Boar guns, UIT etc. A settable sear within the trigger itself - but not settable from outside the action or with the trigger blade. A feature that can be used for dryfiring practice. I don't think those triggers would be classed as set triggers.

The KKJ-T trigger would probably be more correctly described as a dual range trigger vs a set trigger.
 
Mine has the plunger just like the one in the picture from grauhanen. I did play with the screws adjustment in the bottom of the plunger and I couldn't get it any lower than 1lb. I'm going to try it the way it is before I do anymore fiddling with the rifle. Reducing the creep is the front screw accessible from the hole in the front of the trigger guard. This Walther has a medium weight barrel. It also came with the diopters and sling swivels studs. I removed the studs as they get in the way of shooting from a bag and front rest. It's a sporter weight around 7.5 lbs.
 
grauhanen said:
A trigger that is set by means of the plunger may well be, as Shakespeare observed, a rose by any other name that would set as sweet.
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your source over on rimfire is mistaken, this is a dual range match trigger and a far car from a set trigger or even a double set trigger. A set trigger can be set from the shooting position without even having to remove the rifle from your shoulder or your cheek by either pulling the front trigger to set the rear and or pushing the main trigger forward to set the trigger........it's okay to be wrong, we've all been there once or twice
 
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