1963beretta
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Mossberg makes 12g guns with barrels that have .775” (19.685mm) bore diameters, which are 10g specifications
New Trudeau Blair rules on shotguns
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Mossberg makes 12g guns with barrels that have .775” (19.685mm) bore diameters, which are 10g specifications
1963beretta
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- Vaughan, Ontario
This
The alcoholic ex cop who just f#cked up. Technically he did just ban shotguns.
I firmly believe he didnt intend to prohibit shotguns (his reaction suggests this is the case too) but not because he's a nice guy who likes shotguns and their owners, more because he's already pissed off enough people and adding however many shotgunners / hunters (harder to sell when your focus is supposed to be on evil black assault rifles) could make enough waves that he would have to back down.
Better to divide and conquer in small bites so you dont stir up enough venom to cause havoc with your communist ways.
No, shotgunners are probably good for now, they will be vilified on the next round of bans.
The bore of a shotgun is not the largest diameter of the inside of a choke tube recess.
The bore of a shotgun starts at the smallest internal diameter in front of the end of the chamber, where the forcing cone tapers from the chamber diameter to the bore diameter. The bore continues on until it encounters the choke area where the bore ends and the choke takes over.
The standard bore diameter for a 12 gauge is .729. This may vary slightly from manufacturer to manufacturer and manufacturing tolerances. I have measured some 12 gauge bores as large as .733".
20 mm is .788". No 12 gauge bores come close to that figure.
These are simple facts... facts that have existed for over a hundred years.
Can you post a law that says this isn't correct?
I am sure the idiots who made this legislation will soon clarify it for the idiots who think 12 gauge shotguns are banned. I would bet dollars to donuts 10 gauge hunting shotguns will also not be banned.
All this is bloody ridiculous. Look, what happened with the OIC was the result of uneducated and poorly consulted research. Prohibited shotguns were an unintended consequence. Blair’s is right to say that 12 and 10 shotguns are fine as I do not think he intended them to be prohibited, but that still does not jive with the law. Regardless of bore definitions or barrel markings these things will be decided in court and with judges and lawyers just as clueless to technical firearms knowledge as those who wrote it. Face it, it’s in black and white and clear. Now will you be convicted? Maybe, maybe not. But that isn’t the point. Going down that road will be costly, stressful and a gamble. This just proves that even laws that don’t directly affect your guns can still bite you if poorly worded and left to interpretation.
It's completely irrelevant whether the law gets interpreted or enforced one way or the other. Here are the important facts of this:
1. These people deciding whether you or I will be overnight criminals don't consider it worth their time to do even the most minimal fact-checking or research, yet feel entitled to decide the law of the land by proclamation based entirely on their own ignorant assumptions. Taking firearms completely out of the conversation, this kind of attitude should chill us, and every Canadian, right through our bones.
2. They are simply grabbing up guns an armload at a time; they don't understand or care what the real differences are between them or how they function, because this has *always* been about complete civil disarmament.
3. The only thing that will dissuade them is fear of being knocked from their pedestals of power to live among the plebians. We have to hit them in the votes, and that means changing people's minds. That's not going to be done by arguments, it's only going to be done by bringing voters into the fold. Take your friends shooting. Take their friends shooting. Take strangers shooting. Throw the doors to our sport wide open or they'll be shut forever.
1. These people deciding whether you or I will be overnight criminals don't consider it worth their time to do even the most minimal fact-checking or research, yet feel entitled to decide the law of the land by proclamation based entirely on their own ignorant assumptions. Taking firearms completely out of the conversation, this kind of attitude should chill us, and every Canadian, right through our bones.
2. They are simply grabbing up guns an armload at a time; they don't understand or care what the real differences are between them or how they function, because this has *always* been about complete civil disarmament.
3. The only thing that will dissuade them is fear of being knocked from their pedestals of power to live among the plebians. We have to hit them in the votes, and that means changing people's minds. That's not going to be done by arguments, it's only going to be done by bringing voters into the fold. Take your friends shooting. Take their friends shooting. Take strangers shooting. Throw the doors to our sport wide open or they'll be shut forever.
blaxsun
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For those of you that think this OIC was poorly written you obviously don’t remember Bill C-17... This shotgun thing is really a stretch. Even more than thinking the fudd community is suddenly going to come to our aid. The only way they would oppose it is if it included a new long gun registry.
I don't need to, its not law, the OIC is
You going to stop dodging and show a law in Canada that supports your BS? I will give you a hint, the CBSA policy on bore identification has been posted and it does not agree with you LOL
Shawn
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Consider this, the RCMP lab spent weeks, months or years using every tool at their disposal welding and fabricating parts into a CZ858 receiver to convert it to a fully automatic action. This was done to prohibit such rifles because they were "easily" convertible from semi-auto to full-auto by us nefarious civilians. Is it too far a stretch that if challenged in court the same lab wouldn't unscrew a choke from a 12 guage and declare a 20mm grenade will fit into the bore and is not suitable for civilian use? No civilian needs a grenade launcher for sport shooting or hunting.
I have a feeling when the 20mm prohibition is amended by rewording, and I have no doubt it will be in the near future, that those who breathe a collective sigh of relief that they won't lose their shotguns will walk away from the fight and leave the rest of us scrambling with our petitions, lawsuits etc. Some may be "woke" and see the bigger picture of how easily our property can be taken from us but I fear most won't. Namely, those who argue this OIC law doesn't and has never applied to them.
S.
I have a feeling when the 20mm prohibition is amended by rewording, and I have no doubt it will be in the near future, that those who breathe a collective sigh of relief that they won't lose their shotguns will walk away from the fight and leave the rest of us scrambling with our petitions, lawsuits etc. Some may be "woke" and see the bigger picture of how easily our property can be taken from us but I fear most won't. Namely, those who argue this OIC law doesn't and has never applied to them.
S.
LOL there is but a handful of us that know that it seems. Scary how little some know about shotguns
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No it is definition for bore that is in SAAM1 specs and that manufacturer's world wide have agreed to and produced shotguns to for over 100 years
Not this CSSA crap
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