New WK180-C

[cr5]

I just want to point out that he didn't say he was having a hard time affording it, he said he was having trouble doing that AND not having the wifey find out.

She might just be a gun hater........

I'm considering one of these as well, I think they'd make a decent gopher gun at a decent price.

Well I have no advice for wife problems other than to be more like me and not ask permission. I don't ask her if I can do anything, is she my mother or my wife?
As long as you're not putting the household in financial hardship due to spending on a hobby a wife shouldn't complain as long as you LET her have something she likes once in a while.

Fight back against feminism, time to stand back up and be men again.

Gopher gun at 40-50c/rd, now we know who is rolling in $$$

The trick is to take the 223 for some gopher zapping but also have a rimfire to play with.
I bought a Savage A-17 and also a semi auto 22WMR for cheaper critter splattering, the 223 is only for part of the day.

I handload and couldn't really care less about the cost of the ammo, I just prefer to shoot a rimfire when I'm going to be dropping a few hundred rounds in a field. The reduced muzzle blast, risk of ricochet and having less noise for the neighbors to put up with makes for a nicer day. The 223 or whatever centerfire you choose is fun for a few critters but to me nothing really beats a 17HMR or 22WMR on squirrels and gophers.

 

[shredder]

Still, best you can do is .30c/rd not including your time. But exploding gophers are definitely more fun than flopping gophers

Oh, I dunno about THAT - especially if the gophers start doing the funky chicken!!!

 

[cr5]

Oh, I dunno about THAT - especially if the gophers start doing the funky chicken!!!

Lol, any day out in the field popping gophers is a good day regardless of the rifle being used.
Funny thing is that even though I have a couple non restricted 223 semi's, three (308's and 6.5CM) non restricted semi's and if I do take a centerfire out for gophers I would take my bolt action Rem 700 223 over the others.

 

[Smokinyotes]

I was really contemplating buying a bushmaster ACR dmr for a nonrestricted semi coyote gun. The weight is what turned me off and it’s so front heavy. I’m glad Wolverine came out with this, ive got about 2500 rounds of 55 grainers, a Leupold cantilever mount and a Vortex Viper 30mm 2.5-10 just waiting to put on it. As far as gopher hunting I generally use my 17 hmr for out to 150 yards beyond that I use the 22-250.
I wouldn’t be calling the WK 180c the ideal gopher gun if it only shoots 2 moa. At 200 yards your going to have a lot of misses.

 

[driller212]

I wish I could deer hunt with 223 in AB...

I just got a 22WMR and it was way too fun to shoot. I can't wait to test it out on some unsuspecting sky rats and ground rats

Now I'm itching for gopher season!

 

[saskgunowner101]

I wish I could deer hunt with 223 in AB...

I was just thinking the same thing. I wonder how hard it would be to have a barrel chambered in 6x45mm (.223 necked up to fit .243 bullet, that's it) for this rifle?

 

[cr5]

I wish I could deer hunt with 223 in AB...

I just got a 22WMR and it was way too fun to shoot. I can't wait to test it out on some unsuspecting sky rats and ground rats

Now I'm itching for gopher season!

I was just thinking the same thing. I wonder how hard it would be to have a barrel chambered in 6x45mm (.223 necked up to fit .243 bullet, that's it) for this rifle?

If you handload just shoot 300 Blackout, I have a couple of them and it's a great round that's pretty cheap to load for and has enough punch for deer out to around 150 yards.

Next time I hear of a deal like I got on 22WMR last summer I'll let you know. I found a guy selling it for $11/box so I bought 2000 rounds. I should have bought more.

Gopher patches are drying up, I need to find some new ones

I was really contemplating buying a bushmaster ACR dmr for a nonrestricted semi coyote gun. The weight is what turned me off and it’s so front heavy. I’m glad Wolverine came out with this, ive got about 2500 rounds of 55 grainers, a Leupold cantilever mount and a Vortex Viper 30mm 2.5-10 just waiting to put on it. As far as gopher hunting I generally use my 17 hmr for out to 150 yards beyond that I use the 22-250.
I wouldn’t be calling the WK 180c the ideal gopher gun if it only shoots 2 moa. At 200 yards your going to have a lot of misses.

The ACR isn't that bad. I have a non DMR that I converted to NR and it's more dependent on the barrel you pick rather than the platform itself. I've had 5 different non restricted 223 barrels and the pencil barrel was very well balanced but didn't shoot overly well, the last few have been medium(ish) profile and they're not terrible. Still heavier than an AR but all things considered it's very manageable and the accuracy is very good.

Let me know if you want to get together for some shooting and you can run a few mags through it and see what you think. In my opinion it's still the best non restricted we can own that's under $3000.
These new offerings like the SLR and the ATRS MV-s have potential but I know from experience that building an AR does not save you money unless you're ok with mediocre accuracy and so-so parts in it. My AR's typically end up costing around $2000 worth of parts. $300 is the cheapest barrel I'll put in something before I have one custom made which ends up being around $500.

2 moa is pretty darn good if you compare to what other non restricted semi's are actually printing. Lots of claims of tight groups and lots of guys saying that 2 or more moa is no good but I've owned (or at least shot) almost every non restricted semi 223 available to us in Canada and they all shoot like that. I've seen my ACR print a few sub moa groups and the three HK SL8-4's I've owned have been true 1 moa rifles but there's no way this 180c is going to shoot 1 moa just like an XCR or a Tavor won't at double the price. If we see 2-3 moa from these with cheap factory ammo then they are doing just fine and with some handloads or premium match ammo you may be able to get a consistent 2 moa out of them but I doubt it will be any better than that. I'm ok with that though, these are not DMR sniper rifles, they are fun semi auto's for plinking in the sandpit and having some fun in the field, the 180C and the original 180 were never marketed based on accuracy. The thing that I like most about my 180B is that it is so reliable, not a single stoppage of any kind from day one.

When you want accuracy you want one of these (now wearing a Trijicon 5-20x50)

5 rounds 100 yards


When you want cheap fun you want one of these

 

[Scotty454]

No offence, I have never understood the 'ugly gun' comments I see occasionally here on the forum. Function and accuracy are what are important to me with any firearm hands down.

If this rifle runs reliably and shoots inside of 2 MOA or even 3 MOA with good glass, it will be a run away hit. I have been looking for a non-restricted .223 semi for awhile and this offering checks mostly all the boxes. The fact it is made in Canada is a real bonus as parts should be easy to source if ever needed.

When it came to looking at the other NR options I am not really a bull - pup fan, nothing to do with looks, more just the overall handling when I have had the opportunity to try one so they were quickly ruled out. Many of the other offerings are just way more than I want to spend on this category of firearm and most of them are not as accurate as a $700.00 AR-15.

None taken. It was just an opinion, one that is obviously not shared by everyone. Accuracy and reliability are definitely at the top of my priority list. But ergonomics and looks are on there too. I'm sure the ergos are fine on the WK180, but I just don't like the way it looks. If I had no intention of building an SLR though, I'd probably buy one regardless.

 

[cr5]

None taken. It was just an opinion, one that is obviously not shared by everyone. Accuracy and reliability are definitely at the top of my priority list. But ergonomics and looks are on there too. I'm sure the ergos are fine on the WK180, but I just don't like the way it looks. If I had no intention of building an SLR though, I'd probably buy one regardless.

What don't you like about it where you circled it?
I do prefer the looks of my 180B with the original stock but the 180C made a compromise to appease the masses is my best guess. Everyone wants their rifles to look like an AR and use AR furniture so they went with a standard buffer tube set up rather than the fixed rifle stock. This is better though as it makes it easier to add a folding stock hinge (which I happen to have on a different rifle) without having to buy adapters or other parts.

 

[xdmer]

I've heard this hasn't had very good on game performance, from a few sources online and there are a few youtube vids. Interesting none the less.

I was just thinking the same thing. I wonder how hard it would be to have a barrel chambered in 6x45mm (.223 necked up to fit .243 bullet, that's it) for this rifle?

I have 300 Blackout, just because, but I think .227 Wolverine / 6.8x39 is a better option here, if only considering hand loading. There is a lot more versatility in this wildcat for a wide range of uses.

On paper I have some pretty impressive loads . . . but I'm a couple months away from having dies in hand. I'm strongly considering building out a WK180-C in this caliber or one of the new receiver sets, as an all purpose caliber.

If you handload just shoot 300 Blackout, I have a couple of them and it's a great round that's pretty cheap to load for and has enough punch for deer out to around 150 yards.

 

[saskgunowner101]

I've heard this hasn't had very good on game performance, from a few sources online and there are a few youtube vids. Interesting none the less.

I'd consider it for myself. As I read elsewhere, if a .223 can kill a deer, why not the 6x45mm? In any event, just daydreaming anyways. Can't wait for this rifle to hit the market!

 

[Sinasta]

No offence, I have never understood the 'ugly gun' comments I see occasionally here on the forum. Function and accuracy are what are important to me with any firearm hands down.

If this rifle runs reliably and shoots inside of 2 MOA or even 3 MOA with good glass, it will be a run away hit. I have been looking for a non-restricted .223 semi for awhile and this offering checks mostly all the boxes. The fact it is made in Canada is a real bonus as parts should be easy to source if ever needed.

When it came to looking at the other NR options I am not really a bull - pup fan, nothing to do with looks, more just the overall handling when I have had the opportunity to try one so they were quickly ruled out. Many of the other offerings are just way more than I want to spend on this category of firearm and most of them are not as accurate as a $700.00 AR-15.

Not really just looks on that. It is ergonomics. Anyone whos spent an amount of time with that A2 grip knows how terrible it is. All my ARs have the extended beavertail so I can get a higher grip on it.

 

[BeaverMeat]

I just can't get over all the junk in the trunk... No likey.

Don't buy it if your into vanity guns.

 

[cr5]

I've heard this hasn't had very good on game performance, from a few sources online and there are a few youtube vids. Interesting none the less.

I have 300 Blackout, just because, but I think .227 Wolverine / 6.8x39 is a better option here, if only considering hand loading. There is a lot more versatility in this wildcat for a wide range of uses.

On paper I have some pretty impressive loads . . . but I'm a couple months away from having dies in hand. I'm strongly considering building out a WK180-C in this caliber or one of the new receiver sets, as an all purpose caliber.

What do you mean "on paper I have some pretty impressive loads"?

I think I'd just go with a much more common 6.8 SPC or 6.5 Grendel if the plan was to actually hunt deer with a rifle like this. I just prefer the 300BLK because I already have a couple of them and also because you don't need a new bolt in your rifle when you change over.
Honestly though, hunting with black rifles is a pain in the ass for so many reasons. Mostly just that you can buy a Rem 700 or Savage model 10 in your caliber of choice for under $1000 and with a little load development or some testing of premium factory ammo you can be shooting 1 moa pretty easily which is very hard to do with a budget semi auto no matter what barrel you stick into it.
I understand wanting to hunt with them, I've done it myself but have moved back to a good old light weight bolt action for hunting.

 

[xdmer]

Using quick load, known stats and various powers and bullets 'on paper'. As I said, I don't have reloading dies yet and the barrel is still being made. So all paper simulations .... I know it means nothing, but there is a nice range of options.

I have 6.8 SPC and 300 Blackout, I wanted to experiment with a wildcat and a 'do it all' (for me) cartridge that was cheap'ish to load and play with. I then seen how favorable it was to 300 Black out , 6.8 SPC and even Grendel. (again all on paper and heavy load).

I've done both the black rifle and bolt gun hunt, and agree it's just easier and handier to have a compact bolt gun.

What do you mean "on paper I have some pretty impressive loads"?

I think I'd just go with a much more common 6.8 SPC or 6.5 Grendel if the plan was to actually hunt deer with a rifle like this. I just prefer the 300BLK because I already have a couple of them and also because you don't need a new bolt in your rifle when you change over.
Honestly though, hunting with black rifles is a pain in the ass for so many reasons. Mostly just that you can buy a Rem 700 or Savage model 10 in you r caliber of choice for under $1000 and with a little load development or some testing of premium factory ammo you can be shooting 1 moa pretty easily which is very hard to do with a budget semi auto no matter what barrel you stick into it.
I understand wanting to hunt with them, I've done it myself but have moved back to a good old light weight bolt action for hunting.

 

[migrant hunter]

I have a couple of scoped deer rifles, but I'd still like to hunt occasionally with a black rifle just for fun. I'm putting together a .300 blk, but I don't expect it to be a "go to deer gun".

 

[cr5]

I have a couple of scoped deer rifles, but I'd still like to hunt occasionally with a black rifle just for fun. I'm putting together a .300 blk, but I don't expect it to be a "go to deer gun".

Nothing wrong with hunting with a black rifle if you don't mind packing the extra weight, just know the limitations of your cartridge. These little cartridges based off of 223 or x39 size cases just don't have the powder capacity to get the projectile moving like a full size cartridge like a 308 win.
That's why I have a personal limit of 150 yards for deer hunting with the 300BLK, I know I can hit the target much further out but there just isn't much energy left at longer ranges to ensure a quick and humane kill.

 

[Gundoggy]

This has effectively destroyed the resale market for Swissarms, NR-ACR's, Tavors

 

[CyprusTM]

I hope the same.. our intention is not to move the price. As long as cost stays the same nothing should change, the only reason the price of the rifle would go up is if costs did as well, from raw materials, changing dollars, ect ect ect.

Well you can bet our dollar will go down bad this year

 

[cr5]

This has effectively destroyed the resale market for Swissarms, NR-ACR's, Tavors

I don't think so, maybe in the short term but this is not going to be of the same quality as the others you mention. Ever handled something from Kodiak? Their stuff is decent but it's definitely not high end, add to that Eugene Stoner designed the 18/180 as a cheap to produce, economy battle rifle not a top tier firearm. Once people get over the "non restricted 223 semi auto for $1000" and realize that they're not buying a high quality rifle things will settle out. When I say not a high quality firearm, I don't mean it will be a cheap POS, I just mean that compared to a higher end rifle like the ones in your list it will be lower.

The 180C is an economy, entry level semi auto 223 that will fill a void in our market nicely but it's in no way competition for any of the rifles you mentioned. As long as it's reliable and decently accurate I think it will be a success and I hope Wolverine sells a lot of them. I'll probably buy one even though I already have a late production AR180B-2 and a NR ACR. I like to support Wolverine whenever I can and I love my 180B so for $1000 I see no risk in giving one a try.