NEWBIE question....9mm economy

VinnyQC said:
Sizing is always the first stage in a progressive press. Any set of dies will include a resizing die. I'm not sure what JBD says about the 650xl not being able to size 9mm and needing some 1000$ tool to do it. Millions of 9mm ammos are made using 650xl every year in canada, and those ammos run fine in every gun known to mankind. Same for ammos made using a Lee Loadmaster or Hornady LnL or other models of dillon presses.
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Thanks !!!!! Merci bien!
 
VinnyQC said:
Sizing is always the first stage in a progressive press. Any set of dies will include a resizing die. I'm not sure what JBD says about the 650xl not being able to size 9mm and needing some 1000$ tool to do it. Millions of 9mm ammos are made using 650xl every year in canada, and those ammos run fine in every gun known to mankind. Same for ammos made using a Lee Loadmaster or Hornady LnL or other models of dillon presses.
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Lol I took that with a grain of salt. You can bet that I will not be going and buying a thousand dollar case prep tool after sinking more than that into a press/accs.
 
I 650 can not size right down to the base. Smoke your brass and size it. You will see the line where the sizing stops. That may or may not be a problem. If you are only shooting brass from your own gun it is not going to ever be an issue the brass is fireformed to your chamber. If you are shooting brass that is range pick up you may encounter glocked brass
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if you do not notice it you could end up loading it and it may cause a stoppage. Or worse case it chambers enough that the gun fires but the action is not locked causing a catastrophic failure. In the interest of safety and reliability commercial remanufacturers roll size brass as a part case prep.
 

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JBD said:
I 650 can not size right down to the base. Smoke your brass and size it. You will see the line where the sizing stops. That may or may not be a problem. If you are only shooting brass from your own gun it is not going to ever be an issue the brass is fireformed to your chamber. If you are shooting brass that is range pick up you may encounter glocked brass
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if you do not notice it you could end up loading it and it may cause a stoppage. Or worse case it chambers enough that the gun fires but the action is not locked causing a catastrophic failure. In the interest of safety and reliability commercial remanufacturers roll size brass as a part case prep.
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I have pick up probably 10,000 pcs of grass fired from lots of different guns (blocks included) never seen this before. The bulged brass has also been talked about in length on here.
 
hometownhero said:
I have pick up probably 10,000 pcs of grass fired from lots of different guns (blocks included) never seen this before. The bulged brass has also been talked about in length on here.
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Same here. If I add all the reloads I've seen fellow shooters enjoy, that's 100s of thousands of cases used/reloaded multiple times through 100s of different guns.
 
hometownhero said:
I have pick up probably 10,000 pcs of grass fired from lots of different guns (blocks included) never seen this before. The bulged brass has also been talked about in length on here.
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If I'm not mistaken, glock took measures to remedy this problem. They changed the feed ramps (or something like that?) which reduced the amount of the case that's unsupported, thus reducing the bulge.
 
Get rid of Sumbro brass and you'll be ok. That stuff is crap. However I do get other brands that won't case gauge, from blazer, WIN to FC.

I did run into some issues with jams so I bought a LEE undersize die and LEE roll crimp die. So far so good. I also gauge all brass before it gets reloaed too. I'm still learning and going forward I'm going to sort through and dump all sumbro when I sort the dirty brass.

I'm so far behind when it comes to breaking even I don't think about it. My 650 also has all the aftermarket bits on it. I really like the primer "shunt" where it stops primers from advancing. Very handy when setting up a load. Also just got the micrometer power adjustment, have to install it.
 
Every time JBD opens his mouth he sinks himself further down.

Not only did Glock fix the issue many years ago it was only an issue with .40, not 9mm. I too have picked up cases by the thousands that were not fired from my handguns and my rejection rate is less than 1%. I'm not running any special dies (Dillon set) and case gauge all rounds using a Shockbottle Hundo. If you setup the sizing die properly there shouldn't be any issues.
 
1. Casting Bullets and Reloading are hobbies, more than anything else. Just like shooting.
2. Since I have other hobbies, the costs of leisure and entertainment can add up.
3. These two, above, are the main reasons I reload.

I read about the Dillon 650 being referred to as well as the Square Deal and the Hornady. There is another much cheaper alternative, the Lee Classic Turret. Takes about an hour to assemble 100 pistol rounds. Slow compared to a 650, but fast enough for me.

I also cast all my bullets. All Lee 6-cavity molds and a 20 lb melter. After more than 25K bullets cast, my capitalized cost for casting equipment is down to about 2 cents per bullet.

I have to buy almost all my lead and the average cost is about 2 cents per head, based on my combined output of 38/357, 9mm, .40cal and 45 acp.

Based on current pricing for primers (50$/1000 tax inc) and powder (Titegroup $37/lb), my direct cost to reload 9mm is less than 9 cents/round. Or $90.00 per 1000.

It does require a bit of time to cast/lube/size/lube and reload, but isnt that the point of a hobby?
 
I’m not worried about the initial startup cost. I see it as another hobby, and a way to get out and shoot more. You WILL save money per round, period.

I don’t always have 1k disposable to buy 4000rds of 9mm when it goes on sale, and I’m not really interested in paying retail for .40 or .45 when I’ll eventually need to.. But I can consistently stock up on components. I’ve been piecing together my setup over the last month, and by the time I go for an introductory reloading course in January I should be ready to roll.

I collect range brass every time I’m out, just keep the .40/.45/9mm. And I’m expecting delivery within the week for 8500 pieces of brass I got from a fellow member, for a very fair price. 8lbs of powder at a time and bulk projectiles and primers is an easy decision.
 
Thanks guys!!
Yes, I can see the reloading is another world of hobby....
I think, in the end, it is win win....
Lower cost per round, ammo at disposal when needed to be....

Although it seemed as a hoody it self, I would maximize my output in the limited time frame...
So, Lee single stage presses is not for me....

Just corious about the course [justmessing], a reloading course?
Where is the course been given?
Thanks

Merry Xmas to all, and very happy holidays season!! Aka reloading season!!
 
The way prices have dropped on 9mm the last couple months I wont bother reloading that calibre at the moment. If I can buy it within 3 to 5 cents more shipped Id rather do that.
 
justmessing said:
I’m not worried about the initial startup cost. I see it as another hobby, and a way to get out and shoot more. You WILL save money per round, period.

I don’t always have 1k disposable to buy 4000rds of 9mm when it goes on sale, and I’m not really interested in paying retail for .40 or .45 when I’ll eventually need to.. But I can consistently stock up on components. I’ve been piecing together my setup over the last month, and by the time I go for an introductory reloading course in January I should be ready to roll.

I collect range brass every time I’m out, just keep the .40/.45/9mm. And I’m expecting delivery within the week for 8500 pieces of brass I got from a fellow member, for a very fair price. 8lbs of powder at a time and bulk projectiles and primers is an easy decision.
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I do the same and keep my good brass as well look for brass at the range everytime out ...I load mostly for accuracy so volume is secondary
 
WWW226 said:
Just corious about the course [justmessing], a reloading course?
Where is the course been given?
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P&D Enterprises in Edmonton. Really solid store, have a little bit of everything. They’ve got a forum on the site here, and have an ok website of their own
I don’t have anyone to mentor my learning curve, so I’m going to check out this course they offer. 9-5 on a Sunday, they go through the A-Z of reloading. 6 people in the course max, and everyone will have the opportunity to do some hands on skill building. I’m fairly mechanically inclined so I think it will be a good way for me to start in the right direction. Between manuals and discussion boards I think all the info is out there.
I believe it’s offered once a month. Give them a shout and pick their brain, see if you want to make the trip up from Calgary. Cost about $130
 
I once did some casting and reloading for 9mm. It was a laborious process but I was shooting for ~0.10c per round.

Today, I saw 1000rds for $249.99 at a local store.

If I were to do it again, I'd probably go that route.
 
It’s true, no one calculates their labor into the equation. I could buy factory ammo for the same amount of time at work vs reloading time. It’s more something I do because I enjoy it.
 
9MM is one of the few calibers I would consider not reloading... It's already cheap enough when purchased in bulk. Pistol calibers like 45 and 32acp, you save a lot. Rifle calibers when reloading with match component's, you save even more.

That being said, I still reload my 9mm... but I find it a pain in the ass, at the 30-50$ I save per 1000. I actually think my dies are going to go into cold storage for a bit.
 
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