NFA - T-97 Owner's Alert!!!

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I don't have a Type-97 but I stand with you all on this 1.
I e-mailed, phoned & mailed the CPC with my discuss on there handeling on this matter and will no longer be voting for them or there other face (LPC) untill they resolve this matter.
 
Sent to Lorne Gunter, hoping he might make a bit of a media stir about it:

(also posted this letter in the other Type 97 thread, 'classification issues part II')

Mr. Gunter -

as a longtime supporter of civil liberties in Canada, including the rights of law-abiding firearms owners, I thought you may be interested in a very fresh case of firearm registration leading to confiscation.

No, this is not some "Stalin crushes opposition" or "Hitler did it" type of letter. Certainly those comparisons are apt, but I wish to stick to the facts of the case at hand.

The RCMP has seen fit to arbitrarily reclassify recently imported semiautomatic versions of the Chinese Type 97 rifle as "prohibited" and are beginning the confiscation process as we speak. Those who have purchased these rifles, in good faith and through all proper legal channels, are being contacted by the Canadian Firearms Centre and told they have 30 days to surrender or deactivate these firearms - without compensation, I might add.

After extensive testing, the RCMP saw fit to initially classify the semiautomatic version of the Type 97 as 'restricted' - placing it in the same class as legally-owned handguns and certain other rifles such as the AR-15. A later importation of models with a longer barrel length was classified by the RCMP as 'non-restricted' - placing them in the same class as, say, a bolt-action hunting rifle or a pump-action hunting shotgun. Registration certificates were issued, consumers took delivery of their rifles, and used them all for law-abiding purposes.

Shortly after 2010 began, the RCMP revoked the registration status of the newly-delivered rifles - also placing holds with the CBSA on any further importation of these items, since they were now 'unclassified.' As of yesterday, March 17th 2010, the RCMP has designated these firearms 'fully automatic' since - allegedly - their lab, after almost 18 months of experimentation, was able to 'easily' convert the firearm to discharge more than one projectile with a single pull of the trigger. The RCMP has refused repeated requests to release their testing results in a non-redacted form, stating that such knowledge should not be in the public domain. Government transparency indeed.

The firearms registry is being put to very effective use in order to confiscate these guns from their legal owners without compensation. It is my feeling that this issue deserves national exposure, especially at a time when Bill C-391, a repeal of the long-gun registry (into which the non-restricted versions of the Type 97 have been entered), is slated for Parliamentary Second Reading pending recommendations from the 'Committee' review process. It is my sincere hope, Sir, that you will consider relaying this story to your readers - and that they, too, will see that the potential for misuse of the long gun registry is no longer a "what if" issue.

Respectfully yours,
-(name removed)
Edmonton, Alberta
P.S. Should you require further research material for an article, I am able to put you in contact with a community of legal Type 97 owners who I'm sure will be glad to share their knowledge with you.
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lgunter@shaw.ca is his email.

-M
 
Doc - I think there may be an error in your letter. The T97s imported and sold by Lever may not have undergone extensive testing. They may not have been tested at all, prior to a FRT number being allocated.
If this is the case, it could be significant, if LG were to refer to prior extensive testing in an article.
 
Hm. I suppose I'll see what he comes back with, if anything, but I will certainly put him in touch with someone more "in the know" if he does.

-M
 
Doc M said:
Hm. I suppose I'll see what he comes back with, if anything, but I will certainly put him in touch with someone more "in the know" if he does.

-M
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If the firearm was not tested thoroughly, it could also reflect badly on the RCMP. They approved it, people bought it in good faith - and are now being penalized because the RCMP failed to exercise due diligence. This could be relevant to claims for compensation.
 
E-mail sent. Dont own a T-97, but was looking into it. We gotta stand together on this. Its getting ridiculous.
 
Here is another twist that might be worthwhile pointing out to politicians - the law specifcally provides the Gov't. with a mechanism to prohibit a firearm, through the OIC process. Eighteen months after clearing a firearm for sale, the RCMP reclassified it as prohibited independent of the Government.
Is this not the RCMP usurping authority which resides with the elected Government? Should the RCMP not have gone to the Government with its concerns, and asked the Government to deal with the situation?
Instead, the RCMP acted as if it were the Government.
Does the Goverment control the RCMP? Is the Goverment able to control the RCMP?
 
tiriaq said:
Does the Goverment control the RCMP? Is the Goverment able to control the RCMP?
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I'm going to pretend that is a serious question, but the obvious answers are NO and NO.

The RCMP can't even control itself with repeated financial scandals exposed by the AG, pension fund fraud, case after case of hiring discrimination and are the only organization in canada that can conduct espionage against average Canadians legally and without the scrutiny of the Government.

For a good read on the types of activities the RCMP engage in secretly in Canada, read "Spy Catcher" by Peter Wright. A couple chapters in there on how British MI5 interacts with the RCMP are VERY revealing.
 
Can you guys let me know if my facts are correct in the letter I plan on sending. The details of the T97 issues are becoming a little vague to me. Thanks

ATTN: Mr. Phil McColeman, MP
CC: Hon. Vic Toews, Minister of Public Safety
Right Hon. Stephen Harper, Prime Minister

RE: RCMP – Planned confiscation of privately owned firearms

Dear Mr. McColeman,

I have been advised of an official ruling by the RCMP regarding a pending seizure/confiscation of all privately held Norinco Type 97 rifles. I believe I have written to you previously on the issue of these non-restricted firearms. Not too long ago, a firearms retailer attempted to import these rifles for sale in Canada. The CBSA had been instructed by the RCMP to hold these rifles at the border pending a review of their classification. Naturally, the RCMP never got around to reviewing the existing classification because changing it would invariably lead to confiscation. At that time, it seemed they were trying to avoid that, but that time has passed. For your reference, the FRT number issued by the RCMP’s firearms classification branch is FRT 129257-5.

I am writing today to express my extreme displeasure with the decision to remove these registered firearms from the hands of licensed, law-abiding citizens. The RCMP had already classified these firearms as non-restricted and honest, everyday people acted on that classification believing they had purchased a legal firearm. I am disgusted by the fact that the RCMP is advising gun owners to contact the original importer, Lever Arms, to request compensation for property that the RCMP will be seizing. Lever Arms is not the party at fault here.

I am very bothered that the actions of the RCMP seem to go unchecked by our government. They act regularly without approval, without oversight and appear to be completely beyond reproach. The government does possess the power to reclassify a firearm as prohibited through the OIC process. This would be done if legislators believed a firearm represents a significant danger to the public. Yet the RCMP has evidently usurped the authority of our government and effectively removed the elected representatives altogether. Is the conservative government impotent when it comes to dealing with the RCMP?

First the RCMP disseminates confidential information about legal gun owners to non-government polling firms. Now they are stealing our property. Where will it end?

I look forward to your response,

Regards,
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