NFA - T-97 Owner's Alert!!!

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I don't own a 97 but this crap makes my blood boil. This is getting emailed and faxed to my local MP and Mr. Toews' office.

I'm writing to you to voice my extreme displeasure with the RCMP's handling of the Norinco Type-97 rifle. Many of these rifles were legally purchased and registered to licensed owners in Canada via retailer Lever Arms. After initial shipments of the rifles were registered and sold to legal owners, the Canadian Border Services Agency starting holding shipments at the RCMP's direction. During this time the RCMP unilaterally decided to change the classification of these rifles from restricted to prohibited (an action usually requiring an Order In Council), meaning that many otherwise legal owners were now instantaneously in violation of the Firearms Act. These owners are now being told by the RCMP to surrender their legally purchased property, without compensation, to the RCMP for destruction. Each rifle is worth nearly one thousand dollars. This represents a significant loss to an average Canadian family.

The RCMP's actions constitute a gross violation of power, and are abhorrent to anyone who values liberty and the rights offered by a free country. The very first priority listed on your own website is "accountability"; I believe that principle extends to all government subsidiaries, including the RCMP. I would like to know what my government is prepared to do to ensure that law abiding gun owners will maintain their right to keep legally purchased property without fear of reprisal from an increasingly arrogant national police force.

I thank you for your efforts in this matter.
 
I am very suspicious about the timing of the RCMP bureaucrats decision to confiscate these T97s. The coalition for gun control, the liberal RCMP bureaucrats, the chiefs of police know us, us being CGN. They know we will mass together with a letter writing campaign asking Minister Toews to step in and supersede this confiscation decision.

I think they are manipulating us against ourselves to ultimately defeat bill C-391.

If Minister Toews comes out in defence against the confiscation of these T97s it will allow Canada’s liberal media and opposition parties to again paint the false picture of machine guns in school yards.

The media, liberals, ndp, block will use images of "evil" looking T97s to sway the votes needed to pass bill C-391.

There is the big picture to look at and I see this whole thing as nothing but last ditch political tactics to try and defeat C-391. Lets be careful that we don’t step into their trap.
 
Are these the non-restricted or restricted versions being reclassified??

Just got back from Germany. First, this decision os for the Restricted T97 already in country, sot ours. We have been well aware of this decision since the BC CFO requested a sample for examination, etc..

One thing to remember, as I stated before, the RCMP withheld the test procedure for the FA "conversion" under the ATIA. One can only wonder why.

I suggest all of you, especially those who do not own one, to right to the minister ASAP.

I will post more when I have it.

From the other Type 97 thread.
 
Anyone care to fact-check this for me:

Dear Minister Toews,
As a supporter of civil liberties in Canada and a contributing member of the Conservative Party of Canada, I am appalled at the actions of the RCMP in their recent confiscation of legal firearms from private citizens.
As you will already know, the RCMP has arbitrarily re-classified legally-owned (Model T97’s FRT# 129257), semi-automatic firearms as “prohibited” and informed their law-abiding, licensed owners to turn over their property for immediate confiscation and destruction. This discrimination is becoming a trend with the RCMP, as demonstrated several times recently, most notably the unauthorized release of private information to a private corporation to run a “customer survey”, as well as other random re-classifications of sporting rifles such as the VZ-58 and GSG-5.
It disturbs me greatly that this confiscation is being sprung upon Canadians at the same time as apparent progress is being made with Ms. Hoeppner’s Private Member’s Bill C-391 poised to deliver partly on the Conservative Party’s promise to Canadians to repeal Bill C-68.
It is my expectation that both yourself and our Conservative Government understand and appreciates the vitally important cultural, heritage and sporting roles that firearms provide in our nation. As well as the significance that these recent confiscations will have in the eyes of Conservative Party supporters, a significant portion of which are licensed firearms owners.
The RCMP's actions constitute a violation of power in executing their mandate to enforce existing laws and are abhorrent to everyone who values liberty and the rights offered by a free country. Their actions conflict with their stated Mission, which includes Accountability and Integrity. I would like to know what my Government is doing to ensure that law abiding Canadians will maintain their right to keep legally purchased property without fear of reprisal from an increasingly bold national police force.
I am writing to ask you to promptly investigate and remedy these actions by the RCMP and their FRT Laboratory, as well as ensure that in the future, the RCMP cannot unlawfully seize private property at their indiscriminate whim.

I stole some prose from a couple other letters. With all due respect to their creators.
 
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If Minister Toews comes out in defence against the confiscation of these T97s it will allow Canada’s liberal media and opposition parties to again paint the false picture of machine guns in school yards.

He doesn't have to. All he has to do is 're-assign' the #######s in the Firearms lab, then instruct the CFC that they've changed their mind.
 
While this isn't a solution to this problem, for some of you who are scared that they may lose the "material property value" of your T97 and therefore the cash behind it, go an register a business tomorrow. Seriously. Go to your local companies office and register a business. Use your name for the business name. Call it "Joe Smith Enterprises." Set the format of the business as a "consultation firm." Go to Staples and buy a ledger and receipt book and a pen. That's all you'll need. After you get the business license, write a receipt to the business for the value of the firearm (say $1000.00). Your business now has an asset of $1000.00. Aside from the fact that you can write off 25% of your home expenses,if the government strong-arms you into taking your gun, your gun now becomes a liability or "loss" to your business. You just lost the inventory, and your $1000.00 asset is now a liability. You now have a $1000.00 tax writeoff against your total income for the year in question. (yes, even if you work for someone else) While you won't get $1000.00 back on your taxes, (likely you'll get back $250.00) like I said write off 25% of all your home expenses related to your "consultation firm." (mortgage, gas bill, electricity bill, water bill, property taxes, lawn maintenance, Internet access, phone bill, cel bill, etc., etc., etc.) All you need is $4000.00 in expenses approximately to approximate a $1000.00 return on your taxes. (or $1000.00 taxes back) Legally and properly, you've gotten your cash back from the Feds. While you may not have your gun, you've got their cash, and there is not a GD thing they can do about it.

This is a basic rough example of how you can receive compensation if the government chooses not to pay you for your T97. If you want more detailed information, ask an accountant. To be honest, every gun owner should own a small business on paper, and ALL of your guns or guns you feel the government plans to confiscate without compensation should be listed as assets under that business. If you lose the guns (for whatever reason) you now have write-offs against your income. And in the meantime, your racking up write-offs for owning a business.
 
While this isn't a solution to this problem, for some of you who are scared that they may lose the "material property value" of your T97 and therefore the cash behind it, go an register a business tomorrow. Seriously. Go to your local companies office and register a business. Use your name for the business name. Call it "Joe Smith Enterprises." Set the format of the business as a "consultation firm." Go to Staples and buy a ledger and receipt book and a pen. That's all you'll need. After you get the business license, write a receipt to the business for the value of the firearm (say $1000.00). Your business now has an asset of $1000.00. Aside from the fact that you can write off 25% of your home expenses,if the government strong-arms you into taking your gun, your gun now becomes a liability or "loss" to your business. You just lost the inventory, and your $1000.00 asset is now a liability. You now have a $1000.00 tax writeoff against your total income for the year in question. (yes, even if you work for someone else) While you won't get $1000.00 back on your taxes, (likely you'll get back $250.00) like I said write off 25% of all your home expenses related to your "consultation firm." (mortgage, gas bill, electricity bill, water bill, property taxes, lawn maintenance, Internet access, phone bill, cel bill, etc., etc., etc.) All you need is $4000.00 in expenses approximately to approximate a $1000.00 return on your taxes. (or $1000.00 taxes back) Legally and properly, you've gotten your cash back from the Feds. While you may not have your gun, you've got their cash, and there is not a GD thing they can do about it.

This is a basic rough example of how you can receive compensation if the government chooses not to pay you for your T97. If you want more detailed information, ask an accountant. To be honest, every gun owner should own a small business on paper, and ALL of your guns or guns you feel the government plans to confiscate without compensation should be listed as assets under that business. If you lose the guns (for whatever reason) you now have write-offs against your income. And in the meantime, your racking up write-offs for owning a business.

That won't fly......
 
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I am very suspicious about the timing of the RCMP bureaucrats decision to confiscate these T97s. The coalition for gun control, the liberal RCMP bureaucrats, the chiefs of police know us, us being CGN. They know we will mass together with a letter writing campaign asking Minister Toews to step in and supersede this confiscation decision.

I think they are manipulating us against ourselves to ultimately defeat bill C-391.

If Minister Toews comes out in defence against the confiscation of these T97s it will allow Canada’s liberal media and opposition parties to again paint the false picture of machine guns in school yards.

The media, liberals, ndp, block will use images of "evil" looking T97s to sway the votes needed to pass bill C-391.

There is the big picture to look at and I see this whole thing as nothing but last ditch political tactics to try and defeat C-391. Lets be careful that we don’t step into their trap.

F#$k them.

I don't have the money or the time to actively fight as well as some of our brothers here, but if the day comes that I'm forced to say no... I'm ready.

I'm not hiding my love for firearms, we are a minority and it's damn time we started acting like every other minority... make a s&%t load of noise.

Too bad we don't have the ability to actually get together in 1000+ groups all over the country, a couple of armed rallys would wake people up. Don't you all realize we have the power to change this? The government is and has been abusing our human rights and they are forcing us to the point that we have to decide if we're going to take them back.

I truly hope democracy prevails and we get our human rights properly restored.
 
Too bad we don't have the ability to actually get together in 1000+ groups all over the country, a couple of armed rallys would wake people up. Don't you all realize we have the power to change this? The government is and has been abusing our human rights and they are forcing us to the point that we have to decide if we're going to take them back.

There has to be enough CGNrs here in the Fraser Valley to form a fairly large crowd. We just need to pick a target...I would suggest the CFO's office in Surrey. And we shoudl all show up with our unloaded non-restricteds slung over our shoulders.
 
There has to be enough CGNrs here in the Fraser Valley to form a fairly large crowd. We just need to pick a target...I would suggest the CFO's office in Surrey. And we shoudl all show up with our unloaded non-restricteds slung over our shoulders.

you have to be careful with that, I think its a criminal code offense to bring a firearm to a public meeting.
 
Has MPs put T97 as a key word for their email filter configuration long way back? Never ever received a real reply from them except those auto-replies.
 
Has MPs put T97 as a key word for their email filter configuration long way back? Never ever received a real reply from them except those auto-replies.

Emails are actually a poor way to contact an MP. On the weekend I'm going to start firing off real paper letters.
Remember, no stamp reqd for letters to an MP
 
My letter... Going out in the mail to both the Constituency AND Hill office's of Harper & Toews, AND via fax using faxzero... Please feel free to use it, modifying it to make it yours.

Cheers
Jay


19th March, 2010

Dear Hon. Vic Toews, Minister of Public Safety,
(cc Prime Minister Stephen Harper)

I am writing you to make you aware of the pending confiscation of legally owned private property in Canada. That’s right, law abiding Canadians are going to have their personal property seized by the RCMP, despite having done nothing wrong!

You may be wondering what personal property we are talking about. The property in question is the legally imported, legally registered and legally owned Norinco Type 97 rifle. They are identified by the original FRT 126799 and re-classified FRT 129257-5 in the firearm system.

Initially, the RCMP classified the semi-automatic version of the Type 97 as restricted. Registration certificates were issued and owners took delivery of their rifles. As of March 17th 2010, the RCMP announced that they were re-classifying these firearms as “fully automatic”, because after almost 18 months of experimentation, their lab was able to “easily” convert them to automatic. I must say, considering the significant resources of the RCMP, I believe it to be quite the claim that the rifles are “easily” converted to automatic; after all, it did take them 18 months…

Those who have purchased these rifles and having followed all legal channels, are now being contacted by the RCMP’s Canadian Firearms Centre and told they have 30 days to surrender or deactivate these firearms, without compensation. This is an example of firearm registration leading to confiscation and a violation of civil liberties in Canada. Something that I’m surprised to see happening under a Conservative Government!

You should also be aware that the RCMP has refused repeated requests to release their testing methods. So it remains a mystery as to “how” the RCMP “easily” converted these rifles to automatic. I would hazard a guess that they are refusing to do so “because” the rifle is not “easy” to convert to automatic, considering the length of time it took them.

It is my belief that this issue deserves your full and immediate attention. The Conservative Government of Canada must act immediately to uphold the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms which states in Section 8, that “Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure.”

Respectfully yours,
Jay
 
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