Night time predator hunting. Who do we have to convince?

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As the title says, I want to hunt predators at night. It gets done safely and efficiently in many many sates south of the border.

Who or how would we go about trying to change this?

Or, much like everything else that makes sense, is this just a pipe dream?
 
How can you be sure of your back stop, in the dark, could be shooting into someone's house. sounds like a bad idea to me
 
How can you be sure of your back stop, in the dark, could be shooting into someone's house. sounds like a bad idea to me

Based on the OP's questions, I would assume the area in which they are hunting is well known by themselves. Generally "predator control" takes place on ones own property.

I doubt this would ever fly on crown land though.... just my 0.02
 
Probally have to convince god but perhaps if one takes the approach of shotgun only with ball shot no slugs there maybe a much better chance
Baby steps first
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As the title says, I want to hunt predators at night. It gets done safely and efficiently in many many sates south of the border.

Who or how would we go about trying to change this?

Or, much like everything else that makes sense, is this just a pipe dream?

Personally I wouldn't want it...That would be like adding fuel to a fire down here in Southern Ontario... It's tough enough already to get permission. If an accident were to take place the media would eat it up and that would only hurt the hunting community and my hunting opportunities, call me selfish.

Edit: The comment above about the shotgun only thing is interesting, that may have a chance in certain areas under certain conditions, but centre fire hunting at night, can't see it ever happening here.
 
Yeah but CCW sounds like a bad idea to people that don't know anything about it.
Hundreds of people hunt predators at night in the US and Europe with lights and NV and other gear, every night, and no one gets hurt.
Then again they get to use suppressors too......
 
i would love to see the law changed in the whole of canada to allow hunting predators/pests of a night.

i spent the majority of my hunting life,hunting foxes of a night on sheep farms in wales.
also clearing out golf courses,rugby fields(these were located in towns or on the outskirts) of their rabbit problems of a night.
this was the most efficient way of controlling them. we used a 12v 1million candle output hand held lamp,either plugged
into the ciggie lighter in the vehicle or attached to the battery pack.

the problem you have here is to convince the DNR that you arent poaching game.....best of luck with that one.
they quote safety is the reason all the time,but poaching is their main concern.

we were using .223,.222 & 22-250 for foxes of a night,.22 rimfire and FAC 30ft/lb air rifles for rabbits.

its all about using your common sense,knowing your hunting areas,backstops,range of calibre of rifle
and most of all quarry identification.

i would just love to night hunt the areas i have permission to hunt on as i know the lay of the land.
 
I hunted wolves on full moon nights over a gut pile for years. I am on crown land and was told by DNR that as long as no artificial source of light was used I was legal. I used a .243 with a 8X56 Pecar scope.

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You're allowed to hunt racoons at night, what would the difference be??

The number of hunters comes to mind....
I am not sure how many hunters take advantage of the coon hunting (need to be accompanied by a dog too) but I would think night hunting for coyotes/foxes would be more popular.
 
You're allowed to hunt racoons at night, what would the difference be??

Difference is only with dogs and there are cartridge limits I believe..... Not that I disagree with you.... a yote hunt over a nice rolling field at night would be awesome and completely safe.... A simple "private property" rule would keep us from setting up on opposite sides of a field and shooting at eachother.....
 
Damn. I bet the government would make me buy a supressor too. Stupid rules!

I would love this to happen as well. Noise could be an issue. So supressors would be nice. Hell even if it was rimfire only it would justify the existence of the 22 mag.
 
How can you be sure of your back stop, in the dark, could be shooting into someone's house. sounds like a bad idea to me

Night vision optics and knowing your area....how do you know 100% during daylight? Hypothetical question? You have a shot at a coyote in a field. Directly behind it is a small bush lot. You can see clearly to it but not through it. You do not know if there is buildings, livestock, people etc. on the other side or if the bush as solid as it may look at blocking a bullets passage would interfere with the bullets passage and provide you a safe backstop should you miss the coyote. Do you take the shot or pass?

Personally I would not hesitate to hunt predators at night with proper night vision gear and good knowledge of my hunting areas.
 
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Since you are in Ontario I will assume you are talking about changing the Ontario regulations.

And they are just "regulations" that would allow night hunting.

Coon hunting at night "with dogs" has been around since before I remember - 40 some years ago I remember hunting coons at night with a couple of beagles. You had to use a 22 and could only shoot them once they were treed (assume its probably close to the same now, haven't done it mega-years now).

That is simply a "regulation" since the hunting laws are pretty broad making it quite a bit easier to change things through a regulation - don't have to convene Queens Park to make changes.

Just like the return of the spring bear hunt and most probably the dropping of Wolf/Coyote tags north of the French/Mattawa rivers, someone (usually MNRF dudes) just has to convince the Minister that there is some need, benefit etc to changing the regulations.

Changes in the regulations are almost NEVER DONE simply to benefit the wants/needs of hunters. You can almost bet the Bear hunt is being re-instated (ok they are calling it a 5 year pilot project) not because of any pressure from "hunters", it's probably more about municipalities over taxing the MNRF with nuisance bear issues AND the whining from all the outfitters, many of them Americans which own camps and pay taxes in Northern Ontario crying because of the drastic hacking of the Moose hunt and the subsequent loss of dollars.

So you would have to convince those that have the ear of the minister that 1) there is a problem that left unchecked is going to cost the government money 2) there is some way the government can get extra revenue "directly" by creating a new regulation 3) there would be absolutely zero flack from the public (unless the cost of not adopting the new regulation would outweigh a bit of bad press that may blow over).

And what I mean is - a recent event in Ontario. A black bear wanders into a fairly dense neighbourhood - numerous people call 911 - the cops come and shoot the bear - there is protests in the streets and an on-line movement to have the officer disciplined, policies changed etc etc.

So while people don't want bears in their backyard, they also don't want them shot.

Now if Coyote's went on a tear and killed every dog and every cat in Vaughan or Kitchener as an example, you might have a slim chance of getting a night time predator hunt approved (no doubt with tons of strings attached), but unless the government can see a political upside and make money in the process, you are probably on an uphill battle that will last longer than your days on the earth.

And if you are just talking about shooting a Yote on your own land because it's a pest, it's threatening your pets or livestock or a coon ripping apart your garbage you CAN shoot those at night under the protection of property regulations - that's NOT HUNTING - and that would be less "ammunition" to support your "want" - they would say "if it's a "problem predator" you can already shoot it at night under existing regulations - no need to have an "open hunt" for them".
 
As the title says, I want to hunt predators at night. It gets done safely and efficiently in many many sates south of the border.

Who or how would we go about trying to change this?

Or, much like everything else that makes sense, is this just a pipe dream?

If I was making the case to do so, I would NOT use the USA as an example.
The people you need to convince have a big "Yankophobia" issue.
Far better to mention that night hunting is done in the UK.

You're allowed to hunt racoons at night, what would the difference be??

I hunted wolves on full moon nights over a gut pile for years. I am on crown land and was told by DNR that as long as no artificial source of light was used I was legal. I used a .243 with a 8X56 Pecar scope.

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As hunting is a provincial issue, it is helpful if you mention which province allows whatever.
 
Since you won't even be able to convince the CGN lawyers and safety zealots that since it safely happens in much more populated places in the world with no extra danger, I think you must convince GOD, or "Q" from Star Trek to knock the liberalism out of this community first.
 
I am in Churchill Manitoba so laws may be and probably are different in other areas. I could get enough money from one tanned hide to heat my house for the winter.

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I am in Churchill Manitoba so laws may be and probably are different in other areas. I could get enough money from one tanned hide to heat my house for the winter.

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They were just turning a blind eye. The Wildlife Act applies in Churchill just like in other parts of the province.

Though your hydro might be a lot cheaper than down here, because one wolf hide would maybe pay one month's bill for me. ;)
 
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