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Finally got a chance to try them outdoors today.
Really starting to hate the Millette Angle Loc 3/8" rings.
Threads on mine took forever to settle down and drifted in windage.
Finally managed some good groups with both the K11 and 96/11
K11 with 4x32 Bushnell with post reticule and cheapy Chinese rings
96/11 with 4x32 Zeiss with crosshairs with the Milette angle lock rings.
K11 takes a long time to match the scope and rings to the height and placement of rear sight.
Small scope objective is a must.