No firearm test required?
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Here's the deal with Aboriginals: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/ab-au-eng.htm
Fact Sheets
Under the Firearms Act and regulations, all firearms owners and users need a firearms licence and all firearms must be registered. While the Firearms Act and its regulations apply to everyone, some sections of the Act and of the Firearms Licences Regulations have been adapted for Canada’s Aboriginal peoples who meet all three of the following criteria:
They must be a member of one of the Aboriginal Peoples of Canada (Indian, Inuit, Métis or a beneficiary under a land claims agreement referred to in section 35 of the Constitution Act, 1982), and
They must be a member of an Aboriginal community, and
They must engage in the traditional hunting practices of their community.
These adaptations reflect Canada’s desire to ensure that the application of the firearms law respects the traditional lifestyles of the Aboriginal peoples of Canada.
The following summarizes the Aboriginal Peoples of Canada Adaptations Regulations (Firearms). For a full understanding, the regulations should be read together with the Firearms Licences Regulations. Information is also provided on other regulations that apply to anyone who stores or transports firearms in a remote wilderness area (an area compatible with hunting).
Applying for a firearms licence
The only licence now available to new applicants aged 18 and older is the Possession and Acquisition Licence (PAL) (CAFC 921). Aboriginal persons who wish to take advantage of any of the adaptations indicated below will also need to submit an Aboriginal Peoples of Canada Adaptations Regulations (Firearms) Application (form CAFC 1016).
Background Checks
Background checks are performed to ensure that licence applicants are not likely to be a danger to themselves or to others. In some cases, the Chief Firearms Officer (CFO) may issue a licence but place conditions on the licence that would limit the licence holder’s ability to use a firearm.
Aboriginal persons who are concerned that they might be refused a licence or that conditions may be placed on their licence may ask an Elder or leader in their community to sign a declaration on form CAFC 1016 to confirm the importance of their being able to take part in traditional hunting activities of their community. The CFO must consider such recommendations from an Elder or leader before refusing or placing conditions on the licence of an Aboriginal person.
Top of PageMinors’ Licences
In most cases, the minimum age for obtaining a Minor’s Licence to borrow non-restricted rifles and shotguns is 12 years old. However, there is no minimum age for Aboriginal children who take part in the traditional hunting activities of their community. At their discretion, the CFO may place some conditions on the licence. For example, a certain amount of adult supervision may be required.
Safety-training requirements
The safe use of firearms is a top priority of the Canadian Firearms Program. Therefore, it is important for firearm users to understand the firearms laws and know how to store, display, handle, transport and use firearms safely. For this reason, most adults must pass the test for the Canadian Firearms Safety Course (CFSC) before applying for a PAL; most minors must take the course and pass the test before applying for a Minors’ Licence. However, there are some adaptations for those who apply for altnernative certification under the Aboriginal Peoples of Canada Adaptations Regulations (Firearms), as follows:
An individual who is 18 or older will not have to pass the test if:
he or she is an Elder, or
the course is not reasonably available due to time, location, cost or hardship and the CFO receives a recommendation from an Elder or leader of the individual’s community; and
a CFO has certified that the applicant has the required knowledge.
An individual aged 12-17 years of age will not have to take the CFSC or pass the test if:
an Elder or community leader, or an adult who has passed the CFSC or received alternative certification, attests on form CAFC 1016 that the minor has basic knowledge of firearm laws and safe firearm practices; and
a CFO has certified that the applicant has the required knowledge.
Licence Renewals
Firearms licences for individuals aged 18 or older are renewable every five years and must be kept current by anyone who uses firearms. As a general rule, only individuals with at least one firearm registered in their name may renew a Possession-Only Licence (POL). However, that requirement does not apply to Aboriginal individuals who obtained a POL under the Aboriginal Peoples of Canada Adaptations Regulations (Firearms).
To be able to renew a POL, licence holders must apply before their current POL expires. If a POL expires before it is renewed, the only licence available will be the Possession and Acquisition Licence (PAL), which requires meeting safety-training standards set out above.
Reminders and renewal applications (CAFC 979) are sent to all POL and PAL holders at least 90 days before the expiry date of their current licence. To ensure they receive their application and other important notices, it is important that all licence holders notify their CFO of any change of address.
Fact Sheets
Under the Firearms Act and regulations, all firearms owners and users need a firearms licence and all firearms must be registered. While the Firearms Act and its regulations apply to everyone, some sections of the Act and of the Firearms Licences Regulations have been adapted for Canada’s Aboriginal peoples who meet all three of the following criteria:
They must be a member of one of the Aboriginal Peoples of Canada (Indian, Inuit, Métis or a beneficiary under a land claims agreement referred to in section 35 of the Constitution Act, 1982), and
They must be a member of an Aboriginal community, and
They must engage in the traditional hunting practices of their community.
These adaptations reflect Canada’s desire to ensure that the application of the firearms law respects the traditional lifestyles of the Aboriginal peoples of Canada.
The following summarizes the Aboriginal Peoples of Canada Adaptations Regulations (Firearms). For a full understanding, the regulations should be read together with the Firearms Licences Regulations. Information is also provided on other regulations that apply to anyone who stores or transports firearms in a remote wilderness area (an area compatible with hunting).
Applying for a firearms licence
The only licence now available to new applicants aged 18 and older is the Possession and Acquisition Licence (PAL) (CAFC 921). Aboriginal persons who wish to take advantage of any of the adaptations indicated below will also need to submit an Aboriginal Peoples of Canada Adaptations Regulations (Firearms) Application (form CAFC 1016).
Background Checks
Background checks are performed to ensure that licence applicants are not likely to be a danger to themselves or to others. In some cases, the Chief Firearms Officer (CFO) may issue a licence but place conditions on the licence that would limit the licence holder’s ability to use a firearm.
Aboriginal persons who are concerned that they might be refused a licence or that conditions may be placed on their licence may ask an Elder or leader in their community to sign a declaration on form CAFC 1016 to confirm the importance of their being able to take part in traditional hunting activities of their community. The CFO must consider such recommendations from an Elder or leader before refusing or placing conditions on the licence of an Aboriginal person.
Top of PageMinors’ Licences
In most cases, the minimum age for obtaining a Minor’s Licence to borrow non-restricted rifles and shotguns is 12 years old. However, there is no minimum age for Aboriginal children who take part in the traditional hunting activities of their community. At their discretion, the CFO may place some conditions on the licence. For example, a certain amount of adult supervision may be required.
Safety-training requirements
The safe use of firearms is a top priority of the Canadian Firearms Program. Therefore, it is important for firearm users to understand the firearms laws and know how to store, display, handle, transport and use firearms safely. For this reason, most adults must pass the test for the Canadian Firearms Safety Course (CFSC) before applying for a PAL; most minors must take the course and pass the test before applying for a Minors’ Licence. However, there are some adaptations for those who apply for altnernative certification under the Aboriginal Peoples of Canada Adaptations Regulations (Firearms), as follows:
An individual who is 18 or older will not have to pass the test if:
he or she is an Elder, or
the course is not reasonably available due to time, location, cost or hardship and the CFO receives a recommendation from an Elder or leader of the individual’s community; and
a CFO has certified that the applicant has the required knowledge.
An individual aged 12-17 years of age will not have to take the CFSC or pass the test if:
an Elder or community leader, or an adult who has passed the CFSC or received alternative certification, attests on form CAFC 1016 that the minor has basic knowledge of firearm laws and safe firearm practices; and
a CFO has certified that the applicant has the required knowledge.
Licence Renewals
Firearms licences for individuals aged 18 or older are renewable every five years and must be kept current by anyone who uses firearms. As a general rule, only individuals with at least one firearm registered in their name may renew a Possession-Only Licence (POL). However, that requirement does not apply to Aboriginal individuals who obtained a POL under the Aboriginal Peoples of Canada Adaptations Regulations (Firearms).
To be able to renew a POL, licence holders must apply before their current POL expires. If a POL expires before it is renewed, the only licence available will be the Possession and Acquisition Licence (PAL), which requires meeting safety-training standards set out above.
Reminders and renewal applications (CAFC 979) are sent to all POL and PAL holders at least 90 days before the expiry date of their current licence. To ensure they receive their application and other important notices, it is important that all licence holders notify their CFO of any change of address.
I had 3 members of the military in my CFSC & CRFSC.
What I found disgusting was they had to pay for it themselves.
"...if you were an Armorer..." Means nothing. No previous experience makes any difference at all.
"...had to pay for it themselves..." Had to pay for it themselves to own firearms, just like anybody else. They don't need a PAL for issue firearms. Same thing goes for police.
"...had to pay for it themselves..." Had to pay for it themselves to own firearms, just like anybody else. They don't need a PAL for issue firearms. Same thing goes for police.
Basically what this means is that the natives that are really far from a population center can waive the firearms safety test only if a band elder thinks the person is safe enough to take part in the hunt. I believe this means that the CFO has to make a strong case to stop any rural native from getting a PAL.
HAHAHA!!! In my experience, the only thing CF personnel are good at regarding firearms, is their comfort in pointing them at anyone and everyone.
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Bah, Here I thought the special provisions would let me buy a Barret-50BMG (I need it for whale hunting on the red river). Still no point in getting my paperwork to be an official aboriginal
So no special right granted if you are a member of Canadian Army.
Can they have prohibited license after they retired?
I mean they are used to having prohibited guns in army.
Can they have prohibited license after they retired?
I mean they are used to having prohibited guns in army.
They will probably fail the test because in military is shoot to kill not shot to remove threat. Plus the way soldier thinks is different from average joe.
Bah, Here I thought the special provisions would let me buy a Barret-50BMG (I need it for whale hunting on the red river). Still no point in getting my paperwork to be an official aboriginal
If you self identify now it will certainly help your regional nation. I believe (don't quote me on this) that it will help the directors apply for grants and funding and maybe eventually there'll be full constitutional recognition in your province. With enough registered 'invisible indians' it will apply pressure on the province and eventually they'll take the federal Powley ruling seriously like they did in Ontario and Alberta.
Here in B.C. the province is past the deadline we set out. We wanted to sit down and discuss harvesting rights but they ignored us. This is probably because there's only 7500 members province-wide. They want it to become a big deal so they can take it to court and make it look like white people are poaching in the news. They have unlimited financial resources and we know we only got one shot at this, so once the cash has been saved up and a good law team is assembled, expect to see a few select aboriginal people get busted for "Poaching".
the test is primarily focused on being able to handle and shoot a firearm safely and nothing to do with tactics.
im not sure about prohibs, i thought that you can only have prohibs if they are for work(police or military) or grandfathered.
