No firearm test required?

It is useful for CF Personnel to take the course before challenging their PAL test. The major reason being, there are some idiosyncrasies and redundancies in weapons handling that both sides do not necessairily have in common.

I would have gotten quite a few questions wrong had I relied only on my military training. And I'm sure many others would also.

For instance, on my PAL course we were taught to use a bore light or stick your finger in the action to ensure the action did not close, as you inspected your bore from the buisness end. This was part of the "ACTS & PROVE" apparently. :rolleyes:

I have never seen a military member perform this type of "safety check", and it is not part of our TOET's. The only exception is if you're doing a field strip, detailed strip, or preparing to go on the firing line. And even then, folks generally just pull out the bolt carrier to look down the bore. No sticking "le muzzle" in "le face"

As for Mil members being allowed to own prohib after their service, based solely on the premise that they have handled them through the course of their duty, its not gonna happen. (It would be nice though!)
 
As for Mil members being allowed to own prohib after their service, based solely on the premise that they have handled them through the course of their duty, its not gonna happen. (It would be nice though!)
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I mean it is a tradition to take one servicing gun when you retired.
So the tradition discontinue in Canada only USA.
 
Jim S said:
I find your comments highly offensive. As I am sure Many of the members on this forum do as well.
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It is entirely your right to be offended. Of course those who take offence usually fit the description.

I didn't say all CF personnel fall under this category, but the greater majority I've shot with or instructed(PAL course) have little issue with sweeping others.

TDC
 
TDC said:
HAHAHA!!! In my experience, the only thing CF personnel are good at regarding firearms, is their comfort in pointing them at anyone and everyone.

TDC
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TDC's been to Iraq, Afghanistan & was a firearm instructor @ the Shooting Edge

He's good to go! :bsFlag:
 
TDC said:
It is entirely your right to be offended. Of course those who take offence usually fit the description.

I didn't say all CF personnel fall under this category, but the greater majority I've shot with or instructed(PAL course) have little issue with sweeping others.

TDC
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No.....you didn't say all CF members but you did imply it. Not all CF members use their weapons on a constant basis.

I take offence but I, nor do the pers I train fit "the description" you have in your mind.

I would absolutley love to see you out on one of my ranges to check out your weapons handling.....take that as an invite cause I may be able to arrange something.
 
Armorer a no go

David K said:
.. Absolutely NO ! (Unfortunate perhaps, the only exception, and that's "Problematical", is if you were an Armorer, and can prove it ! )... David K
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my brother-inlaw is an armorer and when his dad passed he need to write the PAL test like everone else, these where unrestircted sporting rifles
 
aliceminer said:
I mean it is a tradition to take one servicing gun when you retired.
So the tradition discontinue in Canada only USA.
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Has not been a tradition for a very long time.... long before the "prohib" classification existed I'm sure.

But lets bring it back! I wouldnt mind being given a FA C7 or C8 when I retire... Write to your local MP! :D
 
I remember talking to a guy a few years back who served in the military and he told me he had his prohib status because he was in the army and he got to keep it !
 
if you dig deep, you'll see there is a provision for the cfo to bypass the testing and issue the pal/rpal- it is a MATTER OF POLICY that they don't - same thing as standard magazines ( non-pinned) can be used in competition with special dispensation from the cfo, or the invisible atc- NOBODY GETS ONE,period- unless your job requires it in the last instance
 
TrevorW said:
I remember talking to a guy a few years back who served in the military and he told me he had his prohib status because he was in the army and he got to keep it !
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he was b/s ing you- the prohib thing is dependent on having that weapon BEFORE the order went through, and continously registered- i've got a 12(3) and i served elsewhere- if you go back far enough, there are guys with 12(2)s that have never served-mostly stens, and before 78
 
TDC said:
HAHAHA!!! In my experience, the only thing CF personnel are good at regarding firearms, is their comfort in pointing them at anyone and everyone.

TDC
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I'm sure you have some experiance with shooting with those of us who have served, but I'd rather shoot with a CF Member then a CIVIE any day of the week.

I'd love to see you in action, and I invite you to the range, anytime.
 
TrevorW said:
I remember talking to a guy a few years back who served in the military and he told me he had his prohib status because he was in the army and he got to keep it !
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Yeah I have to say that you were being bulls@#ted.

We have no special status. We use prohibs in the course of our duty domestic and overseas and during training but that is it....can't take em home, don't keep em when we get out, no 12x on our pals....same as everyone.

There are lots of people in society that like to make themselves out more than they really are and the military is no acception....I have met some of my best friends in the army but also some of the biggest loser wannbes as well.
 
aliceminer said:
I mean it is a tradition to take one servicing gun when you retired.
So the tradition discontinue in Canada only USA.
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the only way that happens is if you take the thing to pieces and replace every piece via the qm stores - or the supply chain- and ship it home piece by piece- more b/s - i served in the "other" system- like everyone else, you turn in your weapon at the end of your tour- unless it's fubar , then it goes to 3rd echeclon to be fixed- you call it ftr up here- and when you draw for your next tour, you don't get the same weapon necessarily- LUCK OF THE DRAW- i don't know whos been" sharing" with the newbies, but you guys are swallowing it by the shovelful- if that was true, i'd have at least an m60-
 
Ok here's one that I heard at the range and I don't know if it's BS. A navy weapon tech told me that it's ok to take 5.56 home from the armoury when the ship's moored. This would be the most badass reason to be in the military, free ammo. Is this true?
 
chise said:
Ok here's one that I heard at the range and I don't know if it's BS. A navy weapon tech told me that it's ok to take 5.56 home from the armoury when the ship's moored. This would be the most badass reason to be in the military, free ammo. Is this true?
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i don;t know about up here , but every ship in the fleet has an extensive INVENTORY- it's called ship's stores- and every round has to accounted for along with every knife, fork, spoon and pound of food - in other words there's NOTHING free to just float around- and small arms and ammo are stored in the weapons locker and issued ONLY when the situation warrants - if somebody is telling you something's free for the taking, it's b/s- there has to be a 'paper trail" - even if it's expendables
 
To dispell all the rumours once and for all:

-Military personnel do NOT get to keep their firearms upon release. (maybe back the WWI, WWII and Korea days, but not in recent history)

-Military personnel do not get to borrow, loan or sign them out for personal use or "target practice on their own time" (To somehow do so would be very bad juju, and will get you a ticket to Club Ed. See below)

-All small arms are stringently controlled and serially tracked by those personnel tasked as custodians of these small arms. Anything missing or misplaced is reported via CoC immediately and to the Military Police in very short order.

-The use of military small arms is for use in the course of your service. Be it training, military shooting competition, or operations. All with the blessings of your chain of command

-You cannot smuggle a rifle peice by peice. There are quite a few highly controlled components of the firearms. This would not be possible without leaving a trail, and the wrath of military justice would come down on you and give you a cozy vacation at Club Ed. (the Detention Barracks: much less fun then your average prison from what I've heard.)

-you cannot, say again, cannot get a 12(x) Prohib PAL or POL based solely on military service. No preference is given to military personnel. Period.

So there....

If someone is telling you otherwise, its BS. There are lots people who tell stories of grandeur. Unfortunately, military has its share.

If a person is talking out of their ass, (like says he got to keep his M-60 and M-16 upon release from the Canadian Military) you may also want question wether the dude served at all, or if he just watched too many war movies.
 
btw, the CANADIAN military has NEVER issued /used/whatever the m60 or the m16- those are STRICTLY american weapons- up here it's c7. c8, or whatever- as far as i know-
as far as the other stuff goes, let's just say the american system had certain"holes" in it 30 years ago - remember, back then all inventory was on paper and hand written or typed- 2s could look like z's or 1s were 7s, and 0s ere 8's - see how this works?- when you ordered 1 of something , and you got 7, you could do one of two things- fill out an overage report and send the surplus back, or KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT and use the overage to trade for stuff you needed from other units- this is NOT POSSIBLE today-
 
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