no moose hunting in area 5 in BC

snakeplain said:
this is no different than the guide and outfitters implementing a ban against the use of hunting with an atv in 5-13 some years ago, this is the start of it all, it w ould be interesting to find out who started all of this! on that long previous thread, curt from chilliwack hit the nail on the head, the hunters of b.c. have got to stand together or else the rich non residents will be the only ones hunting our resources with their friends. wolves are a serious problem, what are the experts doing about it, they issue lehs for cows, things have got to change!!
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It wasn't the guides in 5-13 that got the ban on ATV's. It was the logging companies. They got tired of coming around the corner and running over ATVs with thier log trucks. The companies went to ICBC and said that they don't need insurance for their trucks becouse they are off-road vehicles, like a quad. ICBC said no way,
 
It started about ten years ago, when a notice was put in the hunting regulation synopsis, that any hunters planning to go into certaain areas in GMA7, should first contact the First Nations board office in the area, to see where they could hunt.
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yep count one in near mckenzie as well. They send out letters with the LEH now.

This is above and beyond serious, I am calling the BCWF tommorow to ask what they are doing about it and will make my first ever call to my MLA to let him know that it is an election issue for me. Neither of these things will count for a hill lof beans though.

If someone could conduct a moose hunt in the area and test this I'd be happy to contribute at least 150 dollars to the cost of gas, batteries, video tape,. Of course non violence is the watch word, record everything and involve the RCMP/COS so that this can be tested in court. Might also contribute a cell phone booster if required or contribute to the cost of a sat phone rental.

If you think this is not all gonna add up to non natives being barred from 90% of this provinces resources you have not spent enough time getting the skinny on attitudes on the rez.
Just another heads up FNs are now reviewing ALL wildlife act permits. That means you gotta ask permission from some elected officials niece in some band office to do what last month you asked a crown employee to do.......

Guess when you agree to let oil, gas, mining to destroy our province you get a few perks.
 
I talked to a high up fellow about this maybe 2 months ago. He told me that he sees certain areas having their entire moose quota going to natives in the near future.
 
We have +4700 views and 249 responses to "Custom Coyote Call" thread, and 27 responses and 314 views to this thread. Unbelievable. To the OP - please edit the title to say:
"NATIVES CLOSING MOOSE SEASON ON PUBLIC LAND - WILL "ESCORT" NON-NATIVES "OUT"!!!!

Or something like that. Perhaps that will spur folks on to do something.
 
Letters are drawn up for petitions of which I have the signature sheets, I think some of the wording is being adjusted right now, never the less we are getting signatures and there is the possibility that a fund is being set up for legal fees specific to this cause. If the fund is set up I have committed to sending some money.
We need to be clear this will not just affect moose hunting, it is just the tip of the iceberg for many regions in BC and other provinces, where your right to travel freely for legal purpose whether it be berry picking to mountain bike riding may be threatened.
Some say the letter draughted by the FN is just to get the government to pay attention to other matters, that may be true , but I worry if they are successful where will it end.
 
We do not petitions! We need the State to enforce the law of the land. We need charges to be laid if the threats of interference and kidnap are followed through on.

We also do not need legal funds, a victim does need to hire a lawyer. The Crown, via the Prosecutor's service, takes care of that. What we need is an orchestrated collection of evidence to aid the prosecution service in upholding the law of the land.

Turn this into a B.S negotiation and you legitimize and encourage the FN action.

My offer stands to help pay for the gas etc for the person who will make a formal complaint and statement to the GRC when/if they are accosted, harrassed, threatened, interferred with or assaulted by any person or persons while peacefully engaged in a lawful hunt on Crown and in the province B.C. No confrontational idiots need apply.
 
david doyle said:
We do not petitions! We need the State to enforce the law of the land. We need charges to be laid if the threats of interference and kidnap are followed through on.

We also do not need legal funds, a victim does need to hire a lawyer. The Crown, via the Prosecutor's service, takes care of that. What we need is an orchestrated collection of evidence to aid the prosecution service in upholding the law of the land.

Turn this into a B.S negotiation and you legitimize and encourage the FN action.

My offer stands to help pay for the gas etc for the person who will make a formal complaint and statement to the GRC when/if they are accosted, harrassed, threatened, interferred with or assaulted by any person or persons while peacefully engaged in a lawful hunt on Crown and in the province B.C. No confrontational idiots need apply.
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Well you are correct in a perfect world but we are not in that perfect world and victims unfortuneatly are in need of lawyers all too often.
We have to make sure that the government is aware that we are taking it seriously and that it is not acceptable for the RCMP to turn us away instead of arresting the law breakers, they have done this in the past and the law abiding citizen suffered.
The letters and petitions are the first step, we do not want anyone harrased hurt or killed and although if the FN are bent on doing what they said then I agree they will wipe their butts with our petition papers and likely be very confrontational but we have to start somewhere
 
If they are going to be confrontational then I am sure William's lake's finest will be more then happy to process the uttering, assault and etc charges.

WE DO NOT NEED PETITIONS TO HUNT ON CROWN LAND.

We also do not need petitions to lobby the RCMP to keep us from being hurt by some billybob in the bush.

Someone needs to roll out there (with out a firearm) announce they are going moose hunting and let these terrorists hang themselves with thier actions.

BTW who is the 'we' you are refering to lyktount? Just wondering if the 'we' is an organization that plans on doing something or if it is an organization that is going to placate the masses to the benefit of everyone except resident hunters?
 
Received this from the BCWF today:


Open Letter to Resident Hunters re: Moose Population Region 5
Dear ######,



The Tl'etinqox-t'in have announced a no-hunting area for the Anaham Range, except for Tsilhqot'in hunters and Tl'etinqox-t'in members who have guide operations. The rationale for this announcement is low moose populations.



Recent inventory (2011/12) has shown significant declines in parts of Regions 5, 6 and 7a. Many of these declines are associated with large-scale salvage logging for mountain pine beetle. There has been a significant increase in wolf populations in all of these areas according to First Nations, trappers, outfitters, resident hunters, and other outdoor users. The Province has put together a task force to deal with the declines in moose populations.



While unfortunate, this decline in moose demonstrates the reality of budget cuts and funding shortfalls for wildlife management in British Columbia. Basic management functions are on life support and have been for more than a decade. Creating healthy and abundant wildlife populations collaboratively rather than fighting over what remains should be the approach taken by all parties.



As a resident hunter, you can drive positive change by contacting your local MLA. A face to face meeting is best, followed by letters and emails. Make sure you request a reply. Remember, your MLA works for you. There are two issues that need to be addressed:



The hierarchy for allocation of fish and wildlife harvest is:

1) Conservation

2) First Nations needs for food, social and ceremonial purposes

3) Resident Hunter

4) Non-Resident Hunter (guide-outfitter operations)



1. If there is sufficient moose to allow a harvest after conservation and First Nations needs are met, will government ensure resident hunters have the opportunity to hunt in all crown land areas where a harvestable surplus exists?



2. How much money is going to be committed to moose recovery and what is the timeframe?



Government has treated fishing and hunting in British Columbia as a cash cow for decades with little to no investment in the future. When you manage businesses in this manner, failure is the predictable outcome.



In many of these areas moose have generally been declining since the late 70s/early 80s. Moose recovery in these areas needs to be well funded (millions of dollars) and on the ground efforts need to start in 2013. The expectation is moose experts provide research and that their recommendations are not overridden by politics. The over-arching goal is to establish moose populations which are consistent with levels seen in the early 80s when healthy and abundant moose populations existed.



Contact your MLA and ensure they support and adequately fund science-based fish and wildlife management in British Columbia. The declines in moose are only a symptom of a much bigger problem which affects all wildlife.



If you have any questions, please contact BCWF Wildlife Committee Chair, Wilf Pfleiderer - wilfp@telus.net or Vice Chair Jesse Zeman - jessezeman@shaw.ca. The BCWF will provide updates as this situation continues to evolve.



In Conservation,

Bill Bosch

President, BC Wildlife Federation
 
Holy Crap they are toeing the Native line! That is most repungnet thing I have read in a long time. I have more respect for the natives then I do for mr bosch.

They are treating the issue as if the moose numbers and the province is the problem. The problem is the indians are threatening citizens who may choose to participate in an activity which the crown experts have determined to be allowable and sustainable.

I could care less what the moose numbers are today or even tommorow, moose numbers on any piece of ground are variable between none existent for generations to lousey in the ditches for decades. This is not about species inventory this about 'natives' stealing what belongs to everyone. If the moose numbers are lower then winter habitat can support then the resident and non resident allocations would have been reduced or removed. B.C's Wildlife managers are more then capable of managing the resource some pack of mining company toadies have no place in the process.

F**K the BCWF off to scrape the sticker off the truck. 15 years of family membership, what a waste.
 
Ok, I opened my LEH paper, took off my socks and did some quick addition. There could be 1000 moose tags let in 5-12, 5-13, 5-14 which seems to be the area affected. Thats a big pile of residents that are being threatened with having their rights denied.
As stated by the BCWF, natives get first rights to wildlife after conservation, THEN residents, THEN non-residents. Apparently the government thinks that there are ~1000 surplus moose beyond what is required to perpetuate the species in those MUs and maintain food and ceremonial needs for the local tribe. Closing the area to residents but continuing to guide hunts is a double no no and would clearly expose the tribe as not being the caretakers they are portraying themselves to be.

Wait and see I guess, but this could quickly turn into a case of "your rights: use them or lose them" for residents.
 
david doyle said:
If they are going to be confrontational then I am sure William's lake's finest will be more then happy to process the uttering, assault and etc charges.

WE DO NOT NEED PETITIONS TO HUNT ON CROWN LAND.

We also do not need petitions to lobby the RCMP to keep us from being hurt by some billybob in the bush.

Someone needs to roll out there (with out a firearm) announce they are going moose hunting and let these terrorists hang themselves with thier actions.

BTW who is the 'we' you are refering to lyktount? Just wondering if the 'we' is an organization that plans on doing something or if it is an organization that is going to placate the masses to the benefit of everyone except resident hunters?
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The we I am talking about are sensible hunters that are trying to make a difference by reasonable means, not egging them on so someone can get hurt and then run to the RCMP who have shown in the past that they are not either allowed or do not have the will to prosecute the terrorists as you put it.We are an organization that is clearly doing something for our fellow hunters in a proactive manner , not just running out there on opening day of hunting season and see if we can stir up some ####, it will be too late then for lots of folks that have been drawn for tags. I do not think you get it that in situations like this the RCMP have done nothing more than turn back the hunters in I am sure an effort to prevent injuries.
Anyways I need to spend more time dealing with this crisis, than arguing with another hunter, the time might come where we need to take a more confrontational stand, then so be it
 
Ok, I opened my LEH paper, took off my socks and did some quick addition. There could be 1000 moose tags let in 5-12, 5-13, 5-14 which seems to be the area affected. Thats a big pile of residents that are being threatened with having their rights denied.
As stated by the BCWF, natives get first rights to wildlife after conservation, THEN residents, THEN non-residents. Apparently the government thinks that there are ~1000 surplus moose beyond what is required to perpetuate the species in those MUs and maintain food and ceremonial needs for the local tribe. Closing the area to residents but continuing to guide hunts is a double no no and would clearly expose the tribe as not being the caretakers they are portraying themselves to be.

Wait and see I guess, but this could quickly turn into a case of "your rights: use them or lose them" for residents.
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Thank you jay for being articulate.
 
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