no moose hunting in area 5 in BC

[rodagra]

This kind of crap has been going on for years, and it's getting worse, not better. Back around 1998 we were checked by the RCMP in our camp many miles east of Trutch mountain on the Alaska highway. The two guys on quads wanted to see our licenses etc. When they were finished with the "duty" stuff they sat down with us and had a beer. In a nutshell here's what one of them said:

"This area used to belong to a white trapper, and that's his cabin you passed on the way in. The cabin and territory now belongs to a native chap, and he's been practicing native conservation for three years now. Native conservation is shoot everything that walks or swims, and when it's all dead move on to another area. They've managed to fulfill their goal, and you're wasting your time in this area".

Fast forward to 2012:Everyone who got an LEH draw in M.U. 7-29, 7-37, 7-38, 7-39, 7-40, 7-41, is asked to please contact the Tsay Keh Dene or Kwadacha First Nation band(s) at these phone numbers. The notice says "to receive information pertinent to their safety environmental concerns". Not safety and environmental.

I guess we're all going to jump right on that! Especially since first nations (NO CAPS) have so far managed to close some of the best areas in the Cassiar region, and it's been years since white hunters have been allowed in many spots where some of us hunted since before highway 37 was completed. I doubt there's anything left there now.

Eight or ten years ago a bunch of first nation dudes had a reefer truck parked at the tail of Thutade lake in north central BC in August. They used a pair of big outboard lake boats and managed to fill the reefer truck in about a week. We were told by a passer by that the meat was pre sold and destined for some outfit in Edmonton.
H4831, Jaydog and david doyle got it right!

I could go on, but my single didjit typer finger is getting wore plumb out.

 

[hitch.bd]

The hierarchy for allocation of fish and wildlife harvest is:

1) Conservation

2) First Nations needs for food, social and ceremonial purposes

3) Resident Hunter

4) Non-Resident Hunter (guide-outfitter operations)
So if they are claiming to be sustanance hunting does that mean we can cut off their welfare cheques? I am so sick of their double dipping and free ride advantages.

 

[H4831]

Well rodagra, you and I can be thankful that we saw the north when it was still a wilderness and knew the people who lived in the wilderness. The vast majority of the members on CGN have no idea of the difference between then and now.
I had a very good relationship with any natives I encountered and I am sure you did too. The two races respected each other. The old time white trappers and prospectors who had spent a near lifetime in the bush, were the first to admit that no white man could walk as far in a day, as could a native Indian.
I would like to see one of our modern "bushmen" follow an Indian family on their monthly journey, nine times a year, to a trading post. The whole family made the trip, every time. Infants were carried until they were about three, then they too, had to walk. Camp out in the bush every night on the trip, then carry on the next day.
The ones who had to travel the furthest came up to 150 miles, to get to Fort Graham, to be there on the day the mail was brought in by bushplane.
They were completely different from the natives who are out there today, stopping us from hunting.

 

[rodagra]

I remember meeting a guy that was timber cruising out of Fort Ware before Williston Lake was flooded. He had a 3 or 4 day pack trip to take care of, and hired an elderly native to pack gear and grub. The old guy showed up on time the morning he was expected, and brought his grandson with him to help. They were both barefoot, and that's the way they travelled for the whole round trip. They never brought any grub of their own, and felt bad about eating the stuff the cruiser had brought for them. Figgered they could get by fine on berries and the odd fish.

 

[Calum]

"This area used to belong to a white trapper, and that's his cabin you passed on the way in. The cabin and territory now belongs to a native chap, and he's been practicing native conservation for three years now. Native conservation is shoot everything that walks or swims, and when it's all dead move on to another area. They've managed to fulfill their goal, and you're wasting your time in this area".

Same thing goes on with FN here on Vancouver island.

It's almost a waste of time to buy deer tags each season here given the unsustainable poaching practices that go on.

As for area 5... Do the FN there hunt the wolves?

 

[07blackwater]

It sickens me to see conservation and first nations mentioned in the same sentence. Those guys are the worst for over harvesting. Up there I've seen mini van loads of them killing everything they came across with no regard for game numbers. You can identify their kills easily because they're the only ones who don't take the required identification parts ie) lower jaw for a calf, antlers or teats.

Two faced pricks.

 

[bearkilr]

The reality check is what you are expecting from the BCWF and the time frame you are expecting it in, and also with regards to your comments about Bill Bosch.

My guess is that you'll do the same thing other provincial wildlife federations do when it come to Metis/First Nations issues, which is sweet FA.
The official stance will be a statement something to the extent "we have to work closely with Metis and first nations to ensure hunting is available to all"...... Blah blah blah.
You already stated "it's a touchy subject", which tells me your wildlife federation has no intention of speaking out against it.
Hopefully your membership will suffer like in other provinces. The time for political correctness is over.