No rifle can outshoot the ammo - what does it take to do okay at 100

[horseman2]

The title of Bill Jordan's book is "No Second Place Winner".

He explained the title by way of shooting competitions where there is a winner, then 2nd, 3rd, etc.
I have a plaque somewhere for a fifth place.

Bill Jordan was a Border Patrol officer and there are many who got a ticket to Boot Hill.

Getting back to the title, in a gun fight there is no Second place winner.

The press and media declared Trudeau won with a minority when in reality he was second in the overall count.

THE POINT I AM MAKING IS YOU ARE RELEGATING YOUR BEST SHOOTERS TO SECOND PLACE FINISHERS.
PRO GOLFERS DON'T GET A MULLIGAN AND NEITHER SHOULD A SHOOTER.
WHEN SHOOTING FOR A GROUP THERE IS NO ELECTION TO ELIMINATE THAT FLYER . . . THAT REMAINS PART OF YOUR GROUP!

 

[grauhanen]

The title of Bill Jordan's book is "No Second Place Winner".

He explained the title by way of shooting competitions where there is a winner, then 2nd, 3rd, etc.
I have a plaque somewhere for a fifth place.

Bill Jordan was a Border Patrol officer and there are many who got a ticket to Boot Hill.

Getting back to the title, in a gun fight there is no Second place winner.

The press and media declared Trudeau won with a minority when in reality he was second in the overall count.

A hitherto unmentioned book by a deceased lawman and former marine, gun fights, and political conspiracy by both the "press and media" -- it's hard to follow this stream of consciousness.

Perhaps this post was meant for another thread. This one seems to have come to an end.

 

[250-25X]

When a shooter in Canada finds a good lot he should consider himself very fortunate.

grauhanen,

I'll have to disagree with you on that. For such a small market like Canada, I find that we are rather lucky to have so many sources of match ammo. I have been shooting competitively for more than 30 years and I have always been able to locate very good/excellent lots from North Sylva, Hirsch, Korth, Nordic Marksman or Tesro. Some years, it was more complicated but overall, it can be done.

 

[grauhanen]

When a shooter in Canada finds a good lot he should consider himself very fortunate.

grauhanen,

I'll have to disagree with you on that. For such a small market like Canada, I find that we are rather lucky to have so many sources of match ammo. I have been shooting competitively for more than 30 years and I have always been able to locate very good/excellent lots from North Sylva, Hirsch, Korth, Nordic Marksman or Tesro. Some years, it was more complicated but overall, it can be done.

It's a baffling mystery why anyone would disagree that when a shooter finds a good lot he should consider himself very fortunate. Good lots are not everywhere.

Not all readers may be aware that a shooter can't expect to casually call up an ammo dealer at any time of the year and request him to send a lot that he guarantees will shoot well in his rifle. It just doesn't work that way.

When experienced competitive shooters go to testing facilities such as those of Lapua in Ohio and Arizona, they report disappointment if there aren't at least ten lots of a variety available for testing because that won't assure finding a good lot. Sometimes ten different test lots doesn't have even one shoot well enough.

Despite the number of Canadian match ammo dealers, it's unlikely that any of them would have that many lots of, say, Center X or any other mid-to-high grade match ammo available at a time. Dealers don't order match ammo from the manufacturers. They can only get what the Canadian distributor may have available.

 

[250-25X]

It's a baffling mystery why anyone would disagree that when a shooter finds a good lot he should consider himself very fortunate

gruhanen,

Maybe I wasn’t clear enough : what I meant is that it is not that difficult to find good lots, even if we are in Canada which is a tiny market for Lapua or Eley.

A few years ago, I was shooting Lapua. Back then, Hirsch precision always had on hand about a dozen lots of Center-X, and half a dozen lots of Midas+ and X-Act. Now I shoot Eley and again, North Sylva and Korth usually carry a very good inventory of lots.

If you have a good rifle, you would have to be very unlucky not to be able to find a decent lot in the inventory of these distributors. Of course testing is a time consuming job (and an expensive one !) but once you find a good lot and buy a case of it, you can shoot for months without worrying about ammo.

 

[grauhanen]

250-25X, you're absolutely right that it's possible to find good lots, and lot testing is the only way to find them. You may overestimate the number of lots of any one kind of "good" ammo available at any time, especially if shooters don't act expeditiously to get lots to test. The selection is invariably at it's peak as soon as dealers get new ammo shipments and not all shooters can react or spend at these times.

For shooters determined to find the best lots available -- and there are many good shooting rifles in the hands of Canadian shooters -- they can lot test when new shipments arrive in Canada. They can get as many different lots as they can from the various dealers. It's time consuming and can be more expensive than the typical shooter may wish.

The only other way of getting a very good lot is due to good luck. That's what it takes for a random lot of even "expensive" ammo to shoot well in a particular rifle. I've shot many different lots of Midas + and none of them were consistently good, despite producing a few good targets. Of the even more lots of Center X that I've shot, only one was very consistent.