No rings fit on my scope

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Ok I am posting this out of desparation, I can not take this anymore its pissing me off.

So I went to WSS the other day and bought a tasco 6-24x42mm. http://www.tasco.com/single.cfm?s=Riflescopes&family=Target & Varmint&product=var624x42m

And the guy at the counter gave me these rings: http://www.weaveroptics.com/rings_bases/rings/detachable_alum/standard_detachable.aspx

Well I tried to get those rings to fit around. The just couldn't, its almost as if the scope is too big, cause the rings were tight around the scope, but the top strap was still offset enough so that the screws would just cross-thread when I tried to screw them in. So I thought we better measure the scope to see if it is 1", so take the digital calipers and it is 1.022", and the rings were for 1" scopes so I tried again. And the same old story, I even screwed in the screws to there holes to make sure they were not just cross threading right off the bat. So no Dice so I went to my local gunshop to pick up another set.

So I go and buy another set. These were just your generic brand, ones that look like this: http://www.weaveroptics.com/rings_bases/rings/grandslamsteel/topmount.aspx (except not weaver brand).

So first thing I do is measure them with the calipers, and yep when they are there smallest they are .9500 inches. So I go and set my scope in them and, what the heck at the sides of the ring it touches, but on the bottom and top there is about 1-2mm of space, so I am pissed.

I am thinking of ordering a set of those grand slam steel rings, or do you guys have any other suggestions, cause alls i'm left with now is a set of cross threaded rings, and scratched scope, and a set of rings that don't work....
 
I believe that when I bought that same scope, there was a set of rings on it.
I think it is the Varment model.
My best suggestion is to get rid of the scope. Honestly
I found it was like looking thru the bottom of a pop bottle. Tasco is not known for good optics. Mine is back in the box it came in.
 
And people complain that we charge to mount scopes!!! OK, the first set of rings will work fine, the second set will work fine but they need to be lapped as they are steel. Did you put the rings on the rifle first or on the scope?
Are you sure you bought rings that were high enough?
With the first set, don't try to get the top to touch the bottom on the screw side before you start screwing in the screws. Just put the screws into the holes and start them, you need to almost turn them at the same time to get them to go in. Don't be in a hurry. The other thing you will notice is that once you have the rings nice and tight, your scope will be canted in the direction of the screws. It takes some practice to figure out just how much to turn the scope the other direction so that as you tighten the screws the scope comes up true.

Where are you?
If you are in Edmonton, bring the set in to P & D and for $ 45.00 (Since you bought neither the scope or the rifle there I'm guessing) they will put your scope on correctly for you. If you bring it in Saturday I'll do it for you!

Scott
 
Your tube is probably 26MM. They take a specially sized ring. Weaver used to make them for the old Kahles 26mm tube scope. The ring size marked on the top cap is 1.023". If you use a 1" ring they will crush the tube. You can also lap the insde dia. to fit.
 
m39a2 said:
And people complain that we charge to mount scopes!!! OK, the first set of rings will work fine, the second set will work fine but they need to be lapped as they are steel. Did you put the rings on the rifle first or on the scope?
Are you sure you bought rings that were high enough?
With the first set, don't try to get the top to touch the bottom on the screw side before you start screwing in the screws. Just put the screws into the holes and start them, you need to almost turn them at the same time to get them to go in. Don't be in a hurry. The other thing you will notice is that once you have the rings nice and tight, your scope will be canted in the direction of the screws. It takes some practice to figure out just how much to turn the scope the other direction so that as you tighten the screws the scope comes up true.

Where are you?
If you are in Edmonton, bring the set in to P & D and for $ 45.00 (Since you bought neither the scope or the rifle there I'm guessing) they will put your scope on correctly for you. If you bring it in Saturday I'll do it for you!

Scott
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I'm in medicine hat, so a bit far away from edmonton lol. They are attached to the rifle first. Then I put the top strap on and I wasn't trying to make it touch, there was probably 4mm of space between the top strap and base. Its that the top strap was just up too high so it was canting the screws inwards and cross threading them.
 
bob347 said:
Your tube is probably 26MM. They take a specially sized ring. Weaver used to make them for the old Kahles 26mm tube scope. The ring size marked on the top cap is 1.023". If you use a 1" ring they will crush the tube. You can also lap the insde dia. to fit.
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That almost sounds like what it could be, any help guys?
 
I think I am right in saying that 26mm is the standard European size for a riflescope tube. All you would have to do is buy a set of 26mm mounts. I have a set of 26mm mounts made in the Ukraine, and suitable for a top-mounting dovetail (like Anschutz). They would not work on your rifle. Maybe look up Frankonia in Germany, or just contact a European dealer.
 
I have one, sits in a set of Burris rings on a Savage Mk II. No issue, it has been mounted in several different rings without issue, Burris and leupold
 
i got into an argument with the guy at wss over the same thing . turns out i was being a pussy and overthinking it . there will always be a little gap in weaver rings . just tighten it down snuge and youll be fine . I will never buy weaver rings again they dont fit as nice as burris or leupold . and there is a way greater chance of ring marks
 
Try Optiloc rings, they have a nylon insert that you can put on your scope and then fix on the rings. May be it will solutes your problem.
Judes
 
blupul said:
i got into an argument with the guy at wss over the same thing . turns out i was being a pussy and overthinking it . there will always be a little gap in weaver rings . just tighten it down snuge and youll be fine . I will never buy weaver rings again they dont fit as nice as burris or leupold . and there is a way greater chance of ring marks
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I know I've been over this. On the first set of rings it would not even go down far enough for the screws to engage properly. On the second set it almost seemed that the rings were in the shape of ovals, skinny on the sides and wide on the top and bottom so the sides of the scope were touching the rings but the top and bottom would be 2mm away. Ok now time for the search for 26mm rings...
 
outoftowner said:
Ok, did a quick internet search, and either there damn expensive or they don't have the right bases (leupold). So how would I go about this lapping process?
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Lapping is mostly just to remove small imperfections in the rings. You would have to lap for a long time to take out .020"

I am in Medicine Hat as well. I have a Tasco rimfire scope I could give you as a loaner until you get your rings straightened out.

Can you take some pics and post them so we can have a look?

P.M. me if you need anything. I could swing by Darcy's this weekend to see if he has anything that will work.
 
No I don't need a loaner scope, probably wont shoot the jw-103 till the spring but i'm just getting it ready.

I also think my mounts might be a problem, there the ones that come with the jw-103 that are notorious for being junk so I'm going to take her into the outdoorsman and see if they have anything available (another guy on this forum replaced his mounts, I just forget what kind). So I'll do that. Also I just saw how to lap a scope, I'm worried that since I would be boring out the rings that much more that the lapper/ring fit would no longer be as tight as before, so that could lead to some off centering. Damn you 26mm scopes!
 
I have several Tasco 6x24x scopes on my guns. All use the 1 inch rings. The ones you got first are tight from the get go. They almost have to be snapped over the scope tube then slid either forward or rearward so the "hook" engages the slot it slides into. The screws then will line up with the holes and should go in straight.
 
:agree: It sounds like you are trying to force the top halves on... With Weaver rings you can't just set everything on and tighten them down.

Step 1: Install bottom of rings on base.

Step 2: Set scope on.

Step 3: Put top halves of rings on scope tube AHEAD/BEHIND of your bottom halves, then SLIDE them into place; you can't set them straight on.
 
Ryan j said:
:agree: It sounds like you are trying to force the top halves on... With Weaver rings you can't just set everything on and tighten them down.

Step 1: Install bottom of rings on base.

Step 2: Set scope on.

Step 3: Put top halves of rings on scope tube AHEAD/BEHIND of your bottom halves, then SLIDE them into place; you can't set them straight on.
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Yep did that, If I would try and force them over they would not engage, Plus it almost felt that the top halves were of different sizes, one would fit over the scope and slide nicely, and the other would have to be pushed over and it would be very tight to slide. I also found it better to actually put the top halves where you want your rings, and slide the whole scope forewards (or backwards) so that the rings hook. It just seems that they are too tight.
 
m39a2 said:
And people complain that we charge to mount scopes!!! OK, the first set of rings will work fine, the second set will work fine but they need to be lapped as they are steel. Did you put the rings on the rifle first or on the scope?
Are you sure you bought rings that were high enough?
With the first set, don't try to get the top to touch the bottom on the screw side before you start screwing in the screws. Just put the screws into the holes and start them, you need to almost turn them at the same time to get them to go in. Don't be in a hurry. The other thing you will notice is that once you have the rings nice and tight, your scope will be canted in the direction of the screws. It takes some practice to figure out just how much to turn the scope the other direction so that as you tighten the screws the scope comes up true.

Where are you?
If you are in Edmonton, bring the set in to P & D and for $ 45.00 (Since you bought neither the scope or the rifle there I'm guessing) they will put your scope on correctly for you. If you bring it in Saturday I'll do it for you!

Scott
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As Scott was saying this is almost always an installation issue. The first set of rings you bought are very strong, unattractive (because their not symmetrical) and probably the most difficult weaver style ring to install. Trust me your making way more work for yourself by measuring the tube of the scope and the diameter of the rings. The scope is one inch and either the rings are one inch or 30mm (it will be readily apparent because they are not even close in fit). 26 mm scopes and rings these days are very rare and I am certain you don't have this problem. Rings require some gap on the sides to be reduced by tightening the top screws but if you do it wrong you can dent and damage the scope (especially with the first set you bought). Get someone who knows how to install these rings to help/show you. If there is nobody to do this for you look me up at the Calgary Spring Gun Show (Good Friday and Sat) and I will help you out. Phil.
 
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