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Always depends on budget... But should I only be allowed on, I'd make it a nice one.
Kind of like a 26" Army & Navy, 12g, 2.5" chamber, 6.2lbs

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- Looking at the picture of this particular gun, I'd be tempted to say the barrel have been sleeved (which is a non-issue really, other than the loss of $), haven't bothered to ask the dealer pictures/questions, since the last thing I need is another shotgun...
 
Some of the decisions you have to make is whether you want a single trigger or a double trigger, removeable chokes vs fixed chokes. This sorta becomes old vs new. Anndd, if you were to bend your single gun rule, you could probably get two older double trigger, fixed choke guns of comparable quality for the same price as a newer single trigger, removeable choke gun.
Since you mentioned an O/U, a Browning Superposed, and even a Citori may fit the bill. As well, an older generation Winchester 101 may suit. (The 80's vintage pigeon grade are a particularly nice gun, and can be had with modern accoutrements such as a single trigger and removeable chokes.)
 
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I have a pretty nice SKB 200e 20 g on EE now only reason its there is I'm looking at a older British 20 not quite as nice as SM showed but pretty in my eyes.
 
Another vote for Franchi here. I bought an Instict L (o/u) in 20 gauge, 26” barrels a few years ago. It’s nice to carry in the field and works well on upland birds and small game.
 
now that you have seen what everyone 's personal choices are no mention of sxs 's
here are some nice sxs's
ithaca skb 100,200,
good quality guns 800-1400$
win 23 1400$-2000$ good guns
browning bss 1000-1880$ good quality i find them a bit chunky but that is just my views
my personal choice are parker's you can purchase a nice parker for 1000$-2500$ nice handling and good investments all though all above hold good value
i have owned all of the above and shoot parker's and a couple of the skb's

stay with a 12 ga the ammo choice is exstensive
good luck
 
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For shotguns fit is everything, I have 4 shotguns that I can hit birds with : a 1923 Parker Trojan, a Beretta A303 , a Franchi Renaissance, and a beater FEG 100E. Try some at a range if you can to see what works for you.
 
Thanks for all the good advice. So I'm thinking a 20 g. O/U with vent rib.
Since you're thinking of an O/U, you have almost certainly confined yourself to a single trigger. Double triggers are available on O/U's, but they are exceedingly rare and necessitate a special order purchase from a limited number of makers (Beretta had some double triggered O/U's, but they're overwhelmingly 12 gauges). Single triggers are a handicap in the uplands because you lose the instant choke selection offered by double triggers.

Vent ribs are nice on clay target guns because high volume shooting can heat up a barrel very quickly - they offer next to zero benefit in a field gun.
 
Since you're thinking of an O/U, you have almost certainly confined yourself to a single trigger. Double triggers are available on O/U's, but they are exceedingly rare and necessitate a special order purchase from a limited number of makers (Beretta had some double triggered O/U's, but they're overwhelmingly 12 gauges). Single triggers are a handicap in the uplands because you lose the instant choke selection offered by double triggers.

Vent ribs are nice on clay target guns because high volume shooting can heat up a barrel very quickly - they offer next to zero benefit in a field gun.
Those are all good points. Maybe I should stick to a SXS since that is all I have ever used. I do like two triggers. And I have always been fond of Army-Navy products.

(By the way, I have a son who is a shotgun collector...the higher-end of A.H. Fox...Super Fox, etc....but he lives a few thousand miles away and I do prefer European or British to Yankee guns.)
 
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Those are all good points. Maybe I should stick to a SXS since that is all I have ever used. I do like two triggers. And I have always been fond of Army-Navy products.

(By the way, I have a son who is a shotgun collector...the higher-end of A.H. Fox...but he lives a few thousand miles away and I do prefer European or British to Yankee guns.)

You mentioned having shot a Sauer well and a preference for double triggers. I didn't catch a budget number but if I were you I would search Intersurplus for pre war Sauers, Simsons and Husqvarna (310).

Last year I bought 4 from them, all 16 gauge, all between $300 and $600. 12 ga would be, on average, cheaper. All had 29" or longer barrels. As a Fox enthusiast (but also a realist) they are every bit as good in the hands, and far better made, than most Foxes for a 1/4 of the money. There is no such thing as a bad pre war Sauer, Simson or Husky 310, other than condition. And each of the 4 I bought turned out to be in better shape than the description indicated. The important thing, IMHO, is to learn how to discern between the prewar guns and the post war, Commie guns. The commie guns aren't necessarily bad, they just aren't at the level of the prewar guns.

And like a few other retailers, Intersurplus has a 30 day no questions return policy. You just cover the freight. For most of us, the freight is less than it costs to drive to two gun stores.
 
If you want an older gun, and can't quite decide on the barrel length/choke combination. There's always the option of a two barrel sets

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- This one in 20g...


Or if you want a O/U with double trigger, you could always go weird with a Heym. Seems like there's a few 2 barrel set (with the 2nd barrel being in 16g) floating around. Never hunted with one, but it does shoulder well and was lighter than expected (+/- 6.5lbs with the shotgun barrels)

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Since you're thinking of an O/U, you have almost certainly confined yourself to a single trigger. Double triggers are available on O/U's, but they are exceedingly rare...

Depends on if OP wants to buy used or new. Lots of older used O/Us with double triggers.

The important thing, IMHO, is to learn how to discern between the prewar guns and the post war, Commie guns. The commie guns aren't necessarily bad, they just aren't at the level of the prewar guns.

Got any tips on identifying a prewar gun or sources to read up on for those of us who might want to learn more about this topic?
 
Depends on if OP wants to buy used or new. Lots of older used O/Us with double triggers.



Got any tips on identifying a prewar gun or sources to read up on for those of us who might want to learn more about this topic?

It starts with learning to decipher the proof marks. And for those, you just about always have to ask for pics of the proofs. Usually not among the pics on the site. However, you also don't want to be inundating them with pic requests. So without being able to be super specific, I look at the shape of the action and bolster as well as the style and quality of any engraving. There is a different look to the prewar guns. The post war guns were basically all made in the same factory with the same forgings ending up looking very similar and just had different names put on them. That's an oversimplification but not by much. Pre war, Sauer and Simson were very different companies making very different looking actions. Huskies, just look for a model 310.

Most of these guns on Intersurplus (and similar retailers) are post war guns. So for example, look at all the Sauers and note the similarities. Then try to find a Sauer that just looks different in some way. That's the one to request proof pics to confirm.

Damn......I'm giving away trade secrets!

This is a Greifelt, made in the 1920s, bought from Intersurplus for under $400. Likely used a Sauer forging.



This is a Ferlach made (Austrian, not German but that's splitting hairs) in the 1920s. I think I paid $450.



On both guns, note the fine engraving. Now look at most of the Sauer/Simson/Merkels on intersurplus and check out the engraving. The difference should be obvious. Once you see it, you can't un-see it.
 
It starts with learning to decipher the proof marks. And for those, you just about always have to ask for pics of the proofs. Usually not among the pics on the site. However, you also don't want to be inundating them with pic requests. So without being able to be super specific, I look at the shape of the action and bolster as well as the style and quality of any engraving. There is a different look to the prewar guns. The post war guns were basically all made in the same factory with the same forgings ending up looking very similar and just had different names put on them. That's an oversimplification but not by much. Pre war, Sauer and Simson were very different companies making very different looking actions. Huskies, just look for a model 310.

Most of these guns on Intersurplus (and similar retailers) are post war guns. So for example, look at all the Sauers and note the similarities. Then try to find a Sauer that just looks different in some way. That's the one to request proof pics to confirm.

Damn......I'm giving away trade secrets!

This is a Greifelt, made in the 1920s, bought from Intersurplus for under $400. Likely used a Sauer forging.



This is a Ferlach made (Austrian, not German but that's splitting hairs) in the 1920s. I think I paid $450.



On both guns, note the fine engraving. Now look at most of the Sauer/Simson/Merkels on intersurplus and check out the engraving. The difference should be obvious. Once you see it, you can't un-see it.

I've already owned several HVA 310s and both post and pre-war German guns...none of them stuck...and except for one relatively modern Sauer (which I should have kept) I never used them much....I've never owned a "new" gun.
 
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