No XCR in 7.62x39

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XCR in 7.62 x 39
Saturday, August 22, 2009

We have been advised that the Robinson Armament XCR will not be available in Canada chambered in 7.62x39 as the US State Dept will not approve export.

All backorders for the rifle in this caliber will be cancelled.
 
It really seems like an opportunity for someone with machining capabilities...if Robarms could ship "Canada Kits" with everything that could be approved and somebody like Dlask could manufacture the barrel and bolt face or whatever else is required I would be pretty interested myself.

For me the prospect of a .223/6.8 XCR is only about 50% as appealing as a .223/6.8/x39 one. By the time you've saved up $2500, you are really getting close to SIG territory, and they are pretty much the undisputed champions of black rifles as far as I know, so I would have to have a pretty good reason to stop at the XCR. 6.8mm doesn't particularly excite me...another caliber to reload at not-particularly-cheap prices. But X39? With all the cheap as hell Czech in the country right now, that is where it gets interesting IMO.

I completely understand that it is not Robarms' fault that the x39 version can't be exported...but some sort of compromise solution would make that rifle much more of a contender in this country, I think.
 
XCRmonger said:
I think the dirty word "Russian" is half the problem. Each time we apply for an export permit for the 7.62 we get denied based on them being "AK Parts" :bangHead:
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Would there be any way for you to say... licence the 7.62x39 bolt design and barrel profile to some canadian machine shop or something?
 
It has nothing to do with NORAD or NATO. The US State Department would certainly allow export if there was an end user certificate for these rifles for the military or RCMP. The idea is that the US doesn't want to export easily available "military" calibres to civilians outside of it's borders where it can't control their use. I'm not saying that it makes any real sense, or that it will ever change anything but that's how this is supposed to work.
 
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NavyCuda said:
Would there be any way for you to say... licence the 7.62x39 bolt design and barrel profile to some canadian machine shop or something?
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Under ITAR I doubt it...but if another manufacturer was making the parts and Robarms just decided they were not going to bother with a patent violation lawsuit and just let them keep building the parts, and kept Canadians supplied with everything else...I think it would build the market for these guns in Canada.
 
misanthropist said:
Under ITAR I doubt it...but if another manufacturer was making the parts and Robarms just decided they were not going to bother with a patent violation lawsuit and just let them keep building the parts, and kept Canadians supplied with everything else...I think it would build the market for these guns in Canada.
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I was thinking the same thing :D
 
7.62x39 rules!!!!!!!! Get some C products mags and your covered. too bad about the XCR.
always thought that that cartrifdge in that rifle would be an awesome combo.
 
canadiangunuser said:
It has nothing to do with NORAD or NATO. The US State Department would certainly allow export if there was an end user certificate for these rifles for the military or RCMP. The idea is that the US doesn't want to export easily available "military" calibres to civilians outside of it's borders where it can't control their use. I'm not saying that it makes any real sense, or that it will ever change anything but that's how this is supposed to work.
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the american has stircter gun control than canada!!?!?!?...i doubt that...if they trust us, they will sure trust our anal firearm regulation!
 
masterduckmaster said:
the american has stircter gun control than canada!!?!?!?...i doubt that...if they trust us, they will sure trust our anal firearm regulation!
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The USDOS is strict. They won't let folding stocks out of the country, even if they are for the 10/22.

There was word of them banning the export of all military calibers and civilian versions of said calibers (no .223, no .45, no .308.....), but I don't know how that turned out.

That aside, there are some things that are legal here that are not in the US. Chinese firearms and SBS, for instance.

Overall, their laws are much better, but they aren't perfect.
 
SCDL said:
The USDOS is strict. They won't let folding stocks out of the country, even if they are for the 10/22.

There was word of them banning the export of all military calibers and civilian versions of said calibers (no .223, no .45, no .308.....), but I don't know how that turned out.

That aside, there are some things that are legal here that are not in the US. Chinese firearms and SBS, for instance.

Overall, their laws are much better, but they aren't perfect.
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I would scrap all my Norinco's for Concealed Carry...:)
 
masterduckmaster said:
the american has stircter gun control than canada!!?!?!?...i doubt that...if they trust us, they will sure trust our anal firearm regulation!
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It's not GUN CONTROL- it's EXPORT RESTRICTION. Two different things controlled by different organisations. Hell, why would they trust us anyway? If there is anything to be cautious about, it's what weapons you send to your closest neighbour with an open border.
 
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