No1Mk3 Enfield Info

The Australian practice was to put the entire history of the rifle onto the right side of the butt. In the case of your rifle, it was back to the factory for an FTR in July of 1945; that's your "7/45" marking.

I do not know the precise criteria for the paint, although I suspect that, at times, it might have been applied out of sheer frustration. I have one here, a 1918, with a RED band around the Butt, just aft of the pistol-grip. It has FTR markings on it from 1933 and 1944 but still has the 1918 barrel in perfect condition. When my friend Gavin Tait bought it, it appeared completely unfired, EVER.

We took it to the range (three times!) and the best we could get was an 8-inch spread on a 2-round group.... at 100! My test loads grouped 14 inches. It was not grouping, it was shooting two separate, very small, groups, separated vertically by a foot at 100 yards. At 300, it was useless. THIS was the rifle on which I was taught how to do the bedding, by none less than Bill Brown, Canadian Team style as used at the Bisley shoot. And it started with fixing The Damned Crack. Work time and curing time took 5 days, then we were back out to the range...... and the "impossible" rifle shot 3/4 of an inch groups with Gavin's 150-grain test load, half an inch with my 180 test load. Today (October 19) is the anniversary of that shoot. Gavin decided that, now that the thing was shooting the way it COULD, that he had lost interest in improving it. He gave it to me on the spot. I still have it and treasure it and, once in a while, red band and all, it goes to the range and makes very small groups for me.

And so I learned a few things, one being about The Damned Crack, another about bedding for long-range SR Match shooting.... and I learned that Coachwood likely works fine in Oz, but it does not like our very dry climate...... and so it needs a little help. After that, it's fine. And I learned that, from time to time, a rifle could become downgraded when there was nothing really wrong with it that could not be repaired with a bit of time, a few tools, and a tiny bit of Acra-Glas (which the old-time Armourers did not have).

And I learned that the often-maligned Lee-Enfield rifle can, if it wants to, keep with with almost anything else in an iron-sight shoot..... if only Rifle, Shooter and Ammunition are working TOGETHER.
 
the Damned Crack....have a couple of those myself. Will find out next weekend if my first attempt at a repair worked.
 
Traces of the yellow paint the whole front end was dunked in.
did you purchase in alberta?
back in 1992 or 93, a movie called "legends of the fall" was filmed just out side calgary. approx 500 extras were hired of which i was one, for the 20 min of WW1 in the movie.
all the soldier/extras had lee enfields that came from crates marked with austrailian military info. almost all of the rifles were yellow from the muzzle for about 10 in or so.
i was one of the guys who got an extra days pay cleaning all this yellow paint off these rifles. many of the rifles were WW1 issue, some had carvings of regimental hat badges, lists of battles fought, etc.
when the movie was done filming, these went to surplus as far as i know, and many were stolen right from the set. maybe it was one of these rifles from the movie production.
 
The Australian practice was to put the entire history of the rifle onto the right side of the butt. In the case of your rifle, it was back to the factory for an FTR in July of 1945; that's your "7/45" marking.

I do not know the precise criteria for the paint, although I suspect that, at times, it might have been applied out of sheer frustration. I have one here, a 1918, with a RED band around the Butt, just aft of the pistol-grip. It has FTR markings on it from 1933 and 1944 but still has the 1918 barrel in perfect condition. When my friend Gavin Tait bought it, it appeared completely unfired, EVER.

We took it to the range (three times!) and the best we could get was an 8-inch spread on a 2-round group.... at 100! My test loads grouped 14 inches. It was not grouping, it was shooting two separate, very small, groups, separated vertically by a foot at 100 yards. At 300, it was useless. THIS was the rifle on which I was taught how to do the bedding, by none less than Bill Brown, Canadian Team style as used at the Bisley shoot. And it started with fixing The Damned Crack. Work time and curing time took 5 days, then we were back out to the range...... and the "impossible" rifle shot 3/4 of an inch groups with Gavin's 150-grain test load, half an inch with my 180 test load. Today (October 19) is the anniversary of that shoot. Gavin decided that, now that the thing was shooting the way it COULD, that he had lost interest in improving it. He gave it to me on the spot. I still have it and treasure it and, once in a while, red band and all, it goes to the range and makes very small groups for me.

And so I learned a few things, one being about The Damned Crack, another about bedding for long-range SR Match shooting.... and I learned that Coachwood likely works fine in Oz, but it does not like our very dry climate...... and so it needs a little help. After that, it's fine. And I learned that, from time to time, a rifle could become downgraded when there was nothing really wrong with it that could not be repaired with a bit of time, a few tools, and a tiny bit of Acra-Glas (which the old-time Armourers did not have).

And I learned that the often-maligned Lee-Enfield rifle can, if it wants to, keep with with almost anything else in an iron-sight shoot..... if only Rifle, Shooter and Ammunition are working TOGETHER.

Well happy anniversary on the shoot!!! :)

What's The Damned Crack?? Sorry i'm not familiar! I have always felt that i could never really dial in my No1Mk3. It may be a sight adjustment thing i'm not sure, but i've tried a few times and something just doesn't seem right. Like my other iron sight rifles are either tack drivers or i can at least get a good feel on what's going on but the Lee Enfield can be frustrating. I've tried both factory and handloads. Do you have a good sort of "procedure" so to speak of things to look at to getting the groups to tighten up?? Like from sight adjustment to "repairs" type thing.... cracks, bedding etc etc....

Thanks smellie! Sounds like you know your stuff!!
 
did you purchase in alberta?
back in 1992 or 93, a movie called "legends of the fall" was filmed just out side calgary. approx 500 extras were hired of which i was one, for the 20 min of WW1 in the movie.
all the soldier/extras had lee enfields that came from crates marked with austrailian military info. almost all of the rifles were yellow from the muzzle for about 10 in or so.
i was one of the guys who got an extra days pay cleaning all this yellow paint off these rifles. many of the rifles were WW1 issue, some had carvings of regimental hat badges, lists of battles fought, etc.
when the movie was done filming, these went to surplus as far as i know, and many were stolen right from the set. maybe it was one of these rifles from the movie production.

Very interesting info!! Yes i did buy this rifle in Alberta actually....

I've seen that movie, was it filmed in Bragg Creek?? Dunno why but that's coming to mind.. Think there's a way of finding out if it was used in the movie?? I don't like my chances!!
 
parts of the movie were filmed out by bragg creek. where their house was on the farm in the movie. some was filmed in Lower mount royal in calgary.
WW1 parts were filmed north of calgary east of cochrane. name of area is not coming to mind.
the military historian on the movie was a guy named simon sherwood. he was from calgary (in 92), and you may be able to find him. he was in charge of all the full time extras, (guys with military/cops/ firefighter experience) and if i remember correctly, he was at the paint stripping party as well.
hope your search goes well, and leave that enfield in original condition. (wish i was one of the guys that stole one).
i have a mk5 in almost perfect condition.
 
parts of the movie were filmed out by bragg creek. where their house was on the farm in the movie. some was filmed in Lower mount royal in calgary.
WW1 parts were filmed north of calgary east of cochrane. name of area is not coming to mind.
the military historian on the movie was a guy named simon sherwood. he was from calgary (in 92), and you may be able to find him. he was in charge of all the full time extras, (guys with military/cops/ firefighter experience) and if i remember correctly, he was at the paint stripping party as well.
hope your search goes well, and leave that enfield in original condition. (wish i was one of the guys that stole one).
i have a mk5 in almost perfect condition.

excellent thanks! I googled it after I posted one place was Morley, which is west of Cochrane a bit. Thanks for this info!

Yeah these Enfields have gained some popularity in the last few years it seems . I have a buddy looking for one and he is finding it hard to find one in his price range. Nice on the mk5!
 
paid $200 for it in `94 from a buddy whose wife was making him get rid of all his guns. won`t say what /who i would have got rid of. think its worth around 900 now, but not for sale

Yeah i paid about the same for mine, now it seems they're going for quite a bit more in similar condition. I remember seeing them around even 4 or 5 years ago and prices seemed quite less than now. Wonder why......
 
No. 1 Mark V was made in 2 small lots only, a lot in 1922, a lot in 1924.

It looked very much like the Mark III except for the aperture sight and the extra barrelband.

It was an important step toward the Mark VI, which became the Number 4 and Number 5 and their spinoffs. I was offered one for $75 in 1966 and couldn't afford it; that was 2 weeks take-home pay. A regular Mark III* SMLE at that time was $9.50. The Mark V is NOT common, never was.

STILL don't have one!

Maybe we can see some nice pictures...........
 
No. 1 Mark V was made in 2 small lots only, a lot in 1922, a lot in 1924.

It looked very much like the Mark III except for the aperture sight and the extra barrelband.

It was an important step toward the Mark VI, which became the Number 4 and Number 5 and their spinoffs. I was offered one for $75 in 1966 and couldn't afford it; that was 2 weeks take-home pay. A regular Mark III* SMLE at that time was $9.50. The Mark V is NOT common, never was.

STILL don't have one!

Maybe we can see some nice pictures...........



There was a sportered on on GB a few months ago from the US that went for a few hundred dollars. Had I not been a little tight in the wallet I'd have loved the opportunity to bring it back to its former glory. Looked like it was in beautiful shape still. Oh well.
 
hey so what exactly is your LE?? A No1Mk5?? What exactly is the difference between yours and a no1mk3? Post some pics!!!!
my apologies, and sorry to have misled you all. this is what comes from not actually using/shooting your rifle for a few years. i forgot the order of the numbers. my enfield is a No 5 Mk 1. commonly referred to as the jungle carbine. once again my apologies.

and i will take it to the range soon.
pics forthcoming as soon as i load them up.
 
My 1923 MkV

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I just got here to this site and read this post and I'm impressed at what I didn't know about these rifle's as I have 2 of them , one being chopped down for hunting and the other well used and it look's it . Great info here !!!
 
No. 1 Mark V was made in 2 small lots only, a lot in 1922, a lot in 1924.

It looked very much like the Mark III except for the aperture sight and the extra barrelband.

It was an important step toward the Mark VI, which became the Number 4 and Number 5 and their spinoffs. I was offered one for $75 in 1966 and couldn't afford it; that was 2 weeks take-home pay. A regular Mark III* SMLE at that time was $9.50. The Mark V is NOT common, never was.

STILL don't have one!

Maybe we can see some nice pictures...........
Some may have noticed smellie has stated that the MkV was not made in 1923 & yet mine is dated 1923, this does not mean smellie is in-correct & to be honest i dont know, mine has a barrel date of 1924 so was assembled in 1924 but i do know there are around 2000 1923 dated MkVs starting from around the sn 6000 to 6500 mark up to around sn 8500 & the balance of around 12,000 of the 20,000 production dated 1924.
 
my apologies, and sorry to have misled you all. this is what comes from not actually using/shooting your rifle for a few years. i forgot the order of the numbers. my enfield is a No 5 Mk 1. commonly referred to as the jungle carbine. once again my apologies.

and i will take it to the range soon.
pics forthcoming as soon as i load them up.
Quoting myself.
pics as promised
you`ll notice the electropencil No5 Mk 1. apparently perfectly normal in 1945.
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