Non Lead ammo for hunting.. am I mistaken?

[Wrong Way]

Sure. Find me a ammunition that works as well as lead, at the same price point as lead, and I'll consider it.

So...tell me.....you drive an electric car? They are available ya know....cause if you are putting fossil fuels in your tank, well...that kinda makes your last little tirade a hypocritical now don't it?

 

[aulrich]

Going back to the point of the thread lead contamination in big game meat is a non issue. As Prosper said you can tell where a bullet has been so it is either in the gut pile or garbage after butchering.

 

[Gatehouse]

You guys have to take those tinfoil hats off. This rediculous logic of it was ok for the last two hundred years crap has got to go; move into the new millenium By the same logic that im reading in here then we shouldnt have replaced CFCs or taken lead out of our fuel. Im sure these are as you say all examples of tree hugging commies.

If we can make ammunition that is 100% non-toxic we should lead the way without govt intervention and embrace it ourselves to show that we do care about the environment. Lets be leaders instead of followers. Leave lead at the range. Take copper, et al. into the field. We should put our money where our mouths are instead of whinning about change all the time. Get use to it, the world is changing and if we dont change with it we'll be gotten rid of easy enough. We are the minority.

What do you think happens to a bullet, after it passes througha deer? It ends up in the dirt. Where did lead come from? Dirt.

A lead bullet in th edirt is no more toxic than some lead in the dirt that hasn't been mined yet.



I woudl be fine moving away from lead bullets for hunting if it would really "save the planet" but it's not going to make the tiniest bit of difference.

 

[Sticker]

Hi

FYI

Lapua has a lead free bullet as well

http://www.lapua.com/index.php?id=874

 

[BBq_Woa!]

You do know that elemental lead in it's metallic form is virtually non-toxic, right? And that any meat that's got fragments in it is garbage anyway due to being all bloodshot

no I don't know that hahaha
the last time I hunted, I was a kid.
don't remember much about it.

thanks for the info though. this is all very interesting.

 

[BBq_Woa!]

Am I missing something or have people been eating game shot with lead bullets for a couple of hundred years? Birds have been shot with lead pellets as long or longer, I'd hate to see tree hugging join in our sport. I'm sorry but, i think if we push for lead free bullets, the goodie two shoes will think it is a sign of weakness and try to ban all lead bullets and lead shot.

no no.
I'm not saying it's wrong or bad or anything. it's really just me.

 

[In the pipe]

Sure. Find me a ammunition that works as well as lead, at the same price point as lead, and I'll consider it.

So...tell me.....you drive an electric car? They are available ya know....cause if you are putting fossil fuels in your tank, well...that kinda makes your last little tirade a hypocritical now don't it?

It does not as you well know make me hypocritical; since electric cars are sold at a massive premium and are not practicle. I do my part I use florescent lights, I dont waste power and I dont drive a powerstroke f350 with duellies to work everyday. Im not suggesting a total ban. There is no reason to use non-toxic at the range. But while hunting why not use non-toxic? Are you going to tell me the TSX is not up to the task? And if your argument is that there is not enough selection that will come as marketers and manufacturers see that as the way things are going theyll be dozens of products. But you have to start somewhere.

 

[BBq_Woa!]

Sure. Find me a ammunition that works as well as lead, at the same price point as lead, and I'll consider it.

So...tell me.....you drive an electric car? They are available ya know....cause if you are putting fossil fuels in your tank, well...that kinda makes your last little tirade a hypocritical now don't it?

what the #### are you talking about?

 

[Doug]

and so another debate goes south, to foam-flecked-mouth ranting............

I'm outta here.

Doug

 

[Gatehouse]

There is no reason to use non-toxic at the range. But while hunting why not use non-toxic? .

How does a lead bullet negatively impact the enviroment?

 

[ryanloco]

If you do a google search on Lead Shot and Bioaccumulation you’ll find a lot of light reading on the topic… There is some pretty substantial research as to the effects of lead shot on the environment.

 

[tvd]

If we can make ammunition that is 100% non-toxic (WE CANT what about the lead in your primers?)we should lead the way without govt intervention and embrace it ourselves to show that we do care about the environment. Lets be leaders instead of followers. Leave lead at the range (only if you go to an indoor range where the lead stays inside right... or should we be HEPA ing the air vents and closing outdoor ranges to be proactive too?). Take copper, et al. into the field (until someone says that copper is killing gnats and dodo birds, then we'll need aluminum bullets..oh but that gives you altzheimer's or is it cancer, I forget). We should put our money where our mouths are instead of whinning about change all the time. Get use to it, the world is changing and if we dont change with it we'll be gotten rid of easy enough. We are the minority (we are NOT the minority, we are the silent majority but we are self destructive because we only care about what affects us personally).

It does not as you well know make me hypocritical since electric cars are sold at a massive premium and are not practicle(nor is lead free for the most part at the moment). I do my part I use florescent lights( that dump extra mercury and lead into the landfill and need how much more energy to produce?, the only advantage is the extra bucks in your wallet at hydro bill time, but if you live in Canada, those will show up on your heating bill anyways during winter), I dont waste power and I dont drive a powerstroke f350 with duellies to work everyday. Im not suggesting a total ban. There is no reason to use non-toxic at the range (nor is there any reason to use them in the field). But while hunting why not use non-toxic? (what is toxic about a small hunk of metallic lead.. define toxic) Are you going to tell me the TSX is not up to the task?(it may be, but its nice to have some other options in terms of ammo when your hunting in varied situations ) And if your argument is that there is not enough selection that will come as marketers and manufacturers see that as the way things are going theyll be dozens of products. But you have to start somewhere.(start by thinking about the amount of lead left behind by the average hunter in a year... then think of the amount of lead solder in your fluorescent lightbulb thats being turfed cause the ballast died or the hydrocarbon emissions it'll take you to drive the dead bulb to the hazardous waste depot)

see bolded text and give your head a shake. rant off

Sorry BBQ to rant on your post. Shoot for the vitals, Spit out the lead pieces if you get them and leave your hague convention fmj's at the range. BTW in rifle calibres, lots of the fmj stuff will come apart upon striking an animal, and your steel jacket copper coated ammo is no exception and the core is still lead in most cases.

 

[MasterPython]

There is no reason to use non-toxic at the range. But while hunting why not use non-toxic?

I would figure that using non-toxic stuff at a range where hundreds of thousands of bullets hit the ground in a small space would impact the enviroment more positivly than making sure that the few bullets shot over the whole vastness of wilderness don't contain lead. And they dig up cast bullets from wars hundreds of years ago that look somewhat intact, so I don't think they leach that much.

 

[Gatehouse]

If you do a google search on Lead Shot and Bioaccumulation you’ll find a lot of light reading on the topic… There is some pretty substantial research as to the effects of lead shot on the environment.

Which isn't the same as lead bullets. What are the effect of lead bullets?

 

[david doyle]

Your concern is not really justified.

Yes lead in some forms can cause you serious problems.

The #7 shot that you swallowed in your grouse breast is not what will hurt you.

I don't want to digress but: LEAD FROM HUNTING IS SO F**KING INSIGNIFIGANT IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THE TOXICOLIGICAL SOUP WE WALLOW IN THAT IT DRIVES ME CRAZY THE ATTENTION IT GETS!!!!!!!!!

Go to your local University and flip through a first year tox book. You 'll wish you lived in a bubble but you wont be afraid of cast bullets, lead shot or rem core lokts any more.

 

[Gatehouse]

Your concern is not really justified.

Yes lead in some forms can cause you serious problems.

The #7 shot that you swallowed in your grouse breast is not what will hurt you.

I don't want to digress but: LEAD FROM HUNTING IS SO F**KING INSIGNIFIGANT IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THE TOXICOLIGICAL SOUP WE WALLOW IN THAT IT DRIVES ME CRAZY THE ATTENTION IT GETS!!!!!!!!!

Go to your local University and flip through a first year tox book. You 'll wish you lived in a bubble but you wont be afraid of cast bullets, lead shot or rem core lokts any more.

That about sums it up...

 

[In the pipe]

You do know that elemental lead in it's metallic form is virtually non-toxic, right? And that any meat that's got fragments in it is garbage anyway due to being all bloodshot

The #7 shot that you swallowed in your grouse breast is not what will hurt you.[/B]

OK id love to see a video of you two eating "elemental lead" in its metallic form.

 

[In the pipe]

If we can make ammunition that is 100% non-toxic (WE CANT what about the lead in your primers?)Just so I understand 'since we cannot remove it entirely we should give up and pick the low hanging fruit?' we should lead the way without govt intervention and embrace it ourselves to show that we do care about the environment. Lets be leaders instead of followers. Leave lead at the range (only if you go to an indoor range where the lead stays inside right... or should we be HEPA ing the air vents and closing outdoor ranges to be proactive too?). I dont know what the emissions from an indoor range are like but if they emit lead into the environment then yes. Take copper, et al. into the field (until someone says that copper is killing gnats and dodo birds, then we'll need aluminum bullets..oh but that gives you altzheimer's or is it cancer, I forget). umm ok???We should put our money where our mouths are instead of whinning about change all the time. Get use to it, the world is changing and if we dont change with it we'll be gotten rid of easy enough. We are the minority (we are NOT the minority, we are the silent majority but we are self destructive because we only care about what affects us personally). Gun owners and hunters are the silent majority? In what country?




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It does not as you well know make me hypocritical since electric cars are sold at a massive premium and are not practicle(nor is lead free for the most part at the moment). Again so since we cannot eliminate lead entirely does that therefore mean we should have left gasoline leaded?I do my part I use florescent lights( that dump extra mercury and lead into the landfill and need how much more energy to produce?, the only advantage is the extra bucks in your wallet at hydro bill time, but if you live in Canada, those will show up on your heating bill anyways during winter)Granted they have a higher upfront energy cost, that will come down as manufacturing techniques improve; however, the mtf is substantially longer than an incondescent. Also a 16W will do the job of a 60W bulb. Your logic on winter is null as it is a net gain for both and in the summer you now do not have to pump that additional heat out of your house., I dont waste power and I dont drive a powerstroke f350 with duellies to work everyday. Im not suggesting a total ban. There is no reason to use non-toxic at the range (nor is there any reason to use them in the field)your opinion. But while hunting why not use non-toxic? (what is toxic about a small hunk of metallic lead.. define toxic) ie not good for you/wildlife Are you going to tell me the TSX is not up to the task?(it may be, but its nice to have some other options in terms of ammo when your hunting in varied situations )see coment below re increased options with time And if your argument is that there is not enough selection that will come as marketers and manufacturers see that as the way things are going theyll be dozens of products. But you have to start somewhere.(start by thinking about the amount of lead left behind by the average hunter in a year... then think of the amount of lead solder in your fluorescent lightbulb thats being turfed cause the ballast died or the hydrocarbon emissions it'll take you to drive the dead bulb to the hazardous waste depot) Hazardous waste depots are designed and heavily regulated to ensure no external contamination. Ranges have all the lead concetrated into the backstop which makes for easier clean up after. All grant you the skeet ranges are not so easy. That just requires creative thinking.

see bolded text and give your