Non-Restricted ACR Blues

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So I got my non-restricted ACR just over a week ago from Questar and I have to say I am less than pleased. Upon initial inspection everything looked good, but then digging a little deeper, I found some issues. I remembered #### Proenneke's review about his wobbly Questar barrel (apparently due to an under sized shim). So I checked mine out. Yup, a definate wobble. Not to be confused or played down as a bit of flex, but a true, back and forth jiggle. I was definitely not impressed with that.

So I begin to disassemble the rifle to see what can be done as well as I wanted to have a good check over the other parts. The rifle came apart very much as anticipated, with little effort or problems. Quality of the components and the fit and finish were pretty good.

I started with investigating the barrel assembly, I referenced the manual, which states for reassembly of the barrel "turn the barrel locking lever clockwise until there is a positive stop". So I tightened it approx four more clicks and the barrel wobble was gone. Only now, the locking lever assembly is cockeyed and rubs on the hand guard's heat shield. Maybe I need a new spacer?

Over Adjusted Barrel Lever
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Damage to Hand Guards
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I disassembled the bolt group. Everything looked good, except the small o-ring that holds the firing pin retaining pin was slightly damaged. A chunk was ripped off. Not a huge deal, and it still preforms it's function, but worth mentioning on a $3000 dollar rifle.

Damage to O-ring
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The other thing I immediately noticed was that the charging handle would smash itself into the front of its slot causing damage to the aluminum receiver. I'd only racked the action back once at this point to clear the rifle before disassembling it, so I assume the rifle had been manipulated quite a bit either at the factory or while in the inventory of Questar.

Damage at Charging Handle Slot
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The lower receiver had no issues. Everything looked as it should. So with that, I decided to head out for a shoot.

Thinking that I would practice some drills after grouping and zeroing, I brought 500 rounds of Federal 55gr FMJ. If only I could have foreseen the future, I might have saved myself the weight!

I bombed up an Emag and loaded the rifle with the bolt at the rear. Hit the bolt catch and chambered a round. When I depressed the trigger, the first round fired as it should, I felt the action recoil, and readied myself for a second shot. This time, depressing the trigger did nothing. I checked the chamber only to find a round partially fed and crumpled up in the barrel extension. I cleared the stoppage, and continued with firing. The next round fired and the following round jammed up again. Ugh!

Round Partially Fed
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Damage to Ammo
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I checked the manual, which recommended re-installing the barrel, so I did just that. No luck. I tried a number of different magazines, including some Pmags, still no luck. I disassembled the rifle and checked over everything. I even tried putting the barrel back on so that the locking lever was centered. Still the rifle refused to make it all the way through a 5 round mag without a failure. At this point I'm starting to get mad and after about 10 mags or so, I decided to save the ammo and return home. Being the weekend, neither Bushmaster nor Questar was open to respond to my problem, so I waited until Tuesday, on account of Monday being a holiday.

The first thing I did, was call Questar. Their sales person told me that the only person who could help with my issue was out of the office until the end of the week and that I should send him an email. Deciding I'd like to hear from Bushmaster first I held off on the email. I called The Gravel agency, who is Bushmasters official warranty center in Canada. The rep I spoke to there, was very helpful and apologetic and he seemed genuinely interested in helping me. This was very refreshing, when compared to some of my other dealings with Canadian firearm companies. He took all of my info down and looked up the serial number of my rifle. He then informed me that my particular rifle was never upgraded and still had recall parts in it. This was very confusing as when I ordered it from Questar, I specifically made a point of confirming verbally on the phone that this rifle was a current production gun. The sales person assured me it was. Evidently this is not the case.

At the time I had also been researching online the causes for my rifles issues, and one of the more prominent ones was a misaligned gas system. It appears to me as though the front gas block is canted, either due to poor machining of the barrel or improperly installed barrel extension maybe? In any case, the piston rod definitely looks off center.

Off Center Piston
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The Bushmaster rep, said they would honour the warranty and fix the rifle, they just needed time to order up some parts. They would not, however, cover the Questar barrel, if it was found that there are issues with it, or the cost of the shipping to get the rifle to the repair center. Fair enough, seeing as Bushmaster technically does not even have to warranty the rifle due to the aftermarket barrel.

I decide it's time to write Questar and get to the bottom of this. I inform them that the Bushmaster warranty center would cover the repairs and that if the Questar barrel was the problem, that I would like them to replace the barrel. I also thought it would only be fair for Questar to cover the shipping, when I send the rifle to the warranty center. After all, they did sell me a broken rifle and misinform me of its current condition.

When I heard back from Questar, there was no apology, no "sorry your rifle does not work", nothing. They said that they were informed by their US distributor that the rifle was a current production gun and that they can only accept what their suppliers tell them. Weird. Did no one test fire this rifle when the Questar barrel was installed? I would think that after their gunsmith swapped the gas system over to their Questar barrel, they would test fire it. Guess not.

Simply ignoring my request for them to pay the shipping to the official warranty center and to potentially replace the barrel, Questar's recommendation was for me to send the rifle to them for inspection and repair. This is contrary to the advice of Bushmaster USA and their Canadian reps. If I send it to Questar, who will be repairing the rifle? The same gunsmith who installed the new barrel? Certainly no one qualified to work on an ACR officially. I have sent Questar a response, reaffirming my intention to send the rifle to the proper factory warranty center and requesting that they help with the shipping cost as well as provide a new barrel if required. Now I wait for a reply from Questar and the parts to arrive at Gravel.
 
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Oh boy.

There were so many "questionable" problems with the ACR from some of the US reviewers that I stayed the hell away from that thing, and I'm glad I did (no offense).

I appreciate the fact that you've laid out the facts of your experience in an honest, non-biased way. I've had to deal with both Questar and Gravel and can say that I don't really have anything poor to say about either of them*, but there are so many problems going on here that I think you're going to have a tough time getting the gun back to 100%.

The ACR has been a disaster of a weapons platform since it was taken over by Bushmaster, and it looks as though this hasn't changed.

Before going off too hard on Questar, I would give them a little time to work with you and see what they can do.

*Gravel on the other hand is NOT the company I would send the gun back to. I once had an issue with a new rifle that I purchased. When I returned it to the retailer (who payed to ship it back for me on their own), Gravel offered me a "refund" of "the full purchase price minus $100" because the rifle was "used". Luckily for me, the retailer stepped up and offered to make the $100 up and did issue me a full refund, but just the fact that they imported a complete POS rifle, sold it to me as a "new" gun, let me spend 2 weeks, multiple hours and a handful of money on specialty ammo trying to get it to shoot straight and than attempted to scam me out of $100 for the opportunity was a bit of a piss off.

DO NOT send that gun back to Gravel. Send it to Questar. That's what I would do.
 
If I paid that kind of money for a rifle with that many problems I would want my money back or a new rifle. Likely wouldn't get it but that's how I would feel. Hopefully things will get worked out for you in a timely manner.
 
Sorry to hear you're having troubles, theres so many problems here that I wouldn't even know where to start...

First off, seeing your finish chip off from the CH really pisses me off and I don't even own the gun... A 3k rifle or even a 2k rifle (US Price) should have alot better fit and finish.

Second, after seeing #### P's review and his shim problem you would think Questar would rectify that before shipping more out. If this gun was shipped before, then at the very least there should've been a recall on their own barrels. I would like to hear what Questar says on the matter, so until then I'll reserve my judgment.
 
Sorry to hear about the issues with your new rifle. Hopefully Questar will make things right. As a life-long Remington fan it poisons me to see Cerberus destroy their reputation and that of its sister gun co.'s due to criminal cost-cutting and the complete lack of QC. Getting rifles serviced under warranty has become more than difficult to say the least. Bushmaster and now Marlin face the same issues. It is too bad that Magpul didn't stick with their original "MASADA" design and found a different industry partner. I wanted to like the rifle, but it would seem that we must reserve judgement for now. Hopefully we'll see good support from all hands in the retail chain.
 
Sorry to hear about the issues with your new rifle. Hopefully Questar will make things right. As a life-long Remington fan it poisons me to see Cerberus destroy their reputation and that of its sister gun co.'s due to criminal cost-cutting and the complete lack of QC. Getting rifles serviced under warranty has become more than difficult to say the least. Bushmaster and now Marlin face the same issues. It is too bad that Magpul didn't stick with their original "MASADA" design and found a different industry partner. I wanted to like the rifle, but it would seem that we must reserve judgement for now. Hopefully we'll see good support from all hands in the retail chain.

I haven't bought a "Freedom Group" product in years and never will again, for good reason.
 
A barrel shim will fix your first two problems, Gravel will fix the second, and Questar, should just give you a new barrel that is properly aligned. My barrel was lined up properly, so all I had was the shim problem. That being said, I was recently contacted by another Questar ACR owner that had a gas block problem. Questar fixed it for him.

It seems to me that most of the problems with your ACR and the other NR Questar ACR'S are not with the gun itself, but with with the NR barrel. The barrel itself is of very high quality, but the threading for the M4 extension may be off a hundredth, or two, causing the alignment to be off. The pitting on the upper receiver is a known issue on all ACR's with some being worse than others. It is often compared to an AR charging handle, where the claw, often removes the anodizing where it grips the upper receiver. It does not effect function and does not get progressively worse, it's just a wear mark.

My fear, as with most things, is that the baby will get thrown out with the bath water. If anyone is to blame, and should step up to the plate, it is Questar. Mark? Are you there? For all the thousands we spend at your shop, could you provide a little customer satisfaction. Scott, need not respond, as he is half the problem.
 
A barrel shim will fix your first two problems, Gravel will fix the second, and Questar, should just give you a new barrel that is properly aligned. My barrel was lined up properly, so all I had was the shim problem. That being said, I was recently contacted by another Questar ACR owner that had a gas block problem. Questar fixed it for him.

It seems to me that most of the problems with your ACR and the other NR Questar ACR'S are not with the gun itself, but with with the NR barrel. The barrel itself is of very high quality, but the threading for the M4 extension may be off a hundredth, or two, causing the alignment to be off. The pitting on the upper receiver is a known issue on all ACR's with some being worse than others. It is often compared to an AR charging handle, where the claw, often removes the anodizing where it grips the upper receiver. It does not effect function and does not get progressively worse, it's just a wear mark.

My fear, as with most things, is that the baby will get thrown out with the bath water. If anyone is to blame, and should step up to the plate, it is Questar. Mark? Are you there? For all the thousands we spend at your shop, could you provide a little customer satisfaction. Scott, need not respond, as he is half the problem.

So all he needs to do is send it back to two different warranty depots, replace the barrel and gunsmith a custom shim to get a $3k gun to work properly is what you're saying?

Wow, sounds like an amazing deal.
 
The ACR that I purchased came from a Gravel shipment, and I decided to keep the restricted barrel in place, Casey at Tactical Ordnance did his magic removing the pinned and welded muzzle brake, it has digested several hundred rounds and only missed three beats, it seems someone fiddled with the gas regulator, I am sure that Questar will look after you.


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So all he needs to do is send it back to two different warranty depots, replace the barrel and gunsmith a custom shim to get a $3k gun to work properly is what you're saying?

Wow, sounds like an amazing deal.

Nope, it is not a deal at all. I'm not defending the Questar ACR's, just the ACR in general. I have not heard of any problems with the restricted ACR's in Canada, only the Questar ones. That being said there are a lot of XCR loving, ACR hating members on this board that are piping in under the guise of objectivity. Here is my theory on the matter:

- Questar brought in some early ACR'S prior to the recall. I'm hesitant to be hard on them for these imports, because if it was not for Questar, we would not have a lot of the hard to get rifles in Canada (i.e. Noveske, LMT, etc.). Also, how was Questar to know that the rifles would be recalled.

- Questar had a great idea to R&D and produce NR match grade barrels for the ACR, which is something no one else would do with the ACR in such a small market. Heck, there are very few people in the US making aftermarket barrels for the ACR.

- Questar took a great barrel from a great manufacture and rushed it to the market with out doing enough QC. I imagine that they were sitting on these guns for a while and when the FRT# was surprisingly issued, they rushed the guns out the door, to recoupe funds. After all, the first the ACR's had a very high MSRP.

I feel like if a little more time was spent on the guns going out the door, or if they hired a competent gunsmith to put them together, then none of these issues would have arisen. My ACR was fixed for no additional cost, but I did it myself. I am fairly happy with mine now. That being said, Questar needs to deal with these issues quickly and competently. Its not like there is a never ending list of people willing to drop 3K on a rifle, and those that do are often repeat customers. I know that I for one will be seriously considering another major purchase from them.
 
Only time will tell I guess. I'm not going to be too harsh on judging the ACR until a Bushmaster qualified gunsmith has a look at it. Almost all of my rifles problems could be related to the barrel. Bushmaster has not released the official specs for the 18" barrel yet, and since the gas port size is not the same as a standard AR, the rifle may very well be getting too much gas.

It is because this rifle was not imported through Gravel, that it slipped through the recall cracks. Questar imported it themselves, so Bushmaster had no idea the rifle was in Canada and was not able to ship out its upgrade parts. At least that's the story from the BM rep. In any case, the gas system parts are the first generation ones for sure. I'm also fairly certain the firing pin is the steel recall version.

I hate to see a rifle that has so much potential, get such a bad rep from some growing pains. I'll make a ruling when I get the thing back after all the work is done. I'll keep everyone updated on what happens with Questar.
 
Questar brought in some early ACR'S prior to the recall. I'm hesitant to be hard on them for these imports, because if it was not for Questar, we would not have a lot of the hard to get rifles in Canada (i.e. Noveske, LMT, etc.). Also, how was Questar to know that the rifles would be recalled.

Just FYI, I thought that might be the case, but Questar claims my rifle was imported just two weeks prior to me laying out my cash, and I purchased the rifle on the 22nd of August. They are not rifles that have been laying around in Canada.

Plus, IF they had some old pre-recall ACRs, and the FRT was just approved, I would hope that before selling them, they would have them upgraded.
 
Terrible story, unfortunately I had a similar customer service blip with Questar and will never again purchase from them. The gun I purchased had several defective qualities for a brand new gun and I was not offered any type of refund or exchange for it. Mark was not helpful to me, left me out in the dark to deal with it - actually, he provided me Sig Sauer's contact information in the states to see what they would do to help me (which I did contact, but was impossible to communicate with since I live in Canada and everything would have to liase through Questar anyway).

I've heard many stories similar to yours after my experience, and nearly all of those I have talked to refused to order from them again.

Anyway, hope you get it fixed
 
I also read articles and threads about ACR problems in the states. I didn't buy one as I learned my lesson when I bought an early production Sig Mosquito. Hopefully the ACR will be debugged in time.
 
That being said there are a lot of XCR loving, ACR hating members on this board that are piping in under the guise of objectivity.

So basically with the factory ACR the only issue is the craptastic 5-round magazines it ships with. Aside from the safety placement (not ideal), slightly heavier weight (still fine IMHO) and some minor scuffing with the charging handle, we arrive at basically... nothing. Everything else is related to pre-recall models and aftermarket barrels through one supplier.
 
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