Non Restricted black rifles (sticky?)

nickorette said:
Well, Which forum do you discuss the m14/m305? Same goes with the mini-14. If it is not discussed in the black rifles forum, I didn't feel the need to add it to the black rifles list. Technically the type 97 shouldn't be on there I don't think, because all talk for it goes on in the red rifles forum.
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Geeze I dont want to get flamed for this, but I've been thinking the same thing! I was annoyed at how much ARs go for, the fact I can't take it cyote hunting, and that pretty much anything AR is no longer being exported from the US.

Thus I bought a brand new 580 series mini 14.

Sadly, you even breath the word mini14 around these parts, and you get 1000 posts about how innaccure they are and how much they suck. I personally love this little rifle, even if it shoots 2-4" at 100 yards. I've unfortunatly been moonlighting at ww w.perfectunion.com in their mini-14 talk section, but its not a very populated site, and its full of americans ;)

It was funny but I found a US LEO web site that has threads about how at lease a few patrol officers dont see any real difference between the two rifles! It was interesting reading:

h ttp://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102546

Okay, now that I've stirred the pot :stirthepot2: I think its time I run off and hide .. but I certainly wish we had a sanctuary around these parts to discuss all things mini14.
 
slushee said:
Sadly, you even breath the word mini14 around these parts, and you get 1000 posts about how innaccure they are and how much they suck.
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Yes from couch commandos and gun whores that have an AR or a SIG with a fake Aimpoint.... Its funny how these people are self proclaimed snipers - who knows if they even go to the range or just sleep with their superb rifle.

The Mini is a great gun... <4" at 100M
 
hfp75 said:
Yes from couch commandos and gun whores that have an AR or a SIG with a fake Aimpoint.... Its funny how these people are self proclaimed snipers - who knows if they even go to the range or just sleep with their superb rifle.

The Mini is a great gun... <4" at 100M
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I too find that it is a fantastic entrenching tool.

"Accuracy of an AK-47, reliability of an M16!"

 
koalorka said:
I too find that it is a fantastic entrenching tool.

"Accuracy of an AK-47, reliability of an M16!"
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I agree. I love shooting my mini. It has never failed to go "bang". As far as accuracy goes, my first 3 rounds stay tight (3"-4") but if you don't allow the barrel to cool before the 4th & 5th round, they do tend to stray to 2"-4" more off group. This is a reproducable result. Having said that, I didn't buy it to be a tack driver and my skill is limited in that department anyway. I like it because it makes a great rugged bush tool and with the Butler Creek side folder, it fits nicely in my duffle bag when I go camping in the wild. I never considered an AR type of gun to be the best for competitive target shooting anyway. There are much better guns available for that purpose and most are bolt actions.
 
I have one of the new 580 models with the heavier tapered barrel. It easily shoots 2" - even when hot. Handloads go into a tidy inch. Never seen it jam. In Canada it is a good idea. Of course we would all have AR's under the seat of our trucks if it were allowed in Canada, but the fact is - it isn't, so the new Mini is a great little gun. Mine is stainless and sees minimal maintenance, and always works. With a 4x scope I dump every coyote and wild boar I see with it.
 
saskcop said:
I have one of the new 580 models with the heavier tapered barrel. It easily shoots 2" - even when hot. Handloads go into a tidy inch. Never seen it jam. In Canada it is a good idea. Of course we would all have AR's under the seat of our trucks if it were allowed in Canada, but the fact is - it isn't, so the new Mini is a great little gun. Mine is stainless and sees minimal maintenance, and always works. With a 4x scope I dump every coyote and wild boar I see with it.
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I'm wondering if you may know this...

Can I replace my mini barrel with the new heavier one (I believe it is called the NRA series)?

Thanks
 
I believe all the new mini 14's have a heavier profile barrel, while the NRA edition is the same but in a 16" barrel. The mini 14's are perfectly good as well as reasonably accurate rifles. 2 MOA is easily maintainable even after successive firing... the older one strung more and was closer to 4 MOA. The Target will get you into the "holy grail" of 1 MOA.

I just bought an Armalite AR180B-2:ar15:... the factory specifies (maybe guarentees?) 2 MOA. I have seen articles that will attest to anywhere between 3 and <1 MOA depending on ammo. We'll see after the weekend. But that is quite good in my books.

The internet is full of snobery...
 
AWOL said:
I'm wondering if you may know this...

Can I replace my mini barrel with the new heavier one (I believe it is called the NRA series)?

Thanks
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AWOL, that is a good question, and I have heard a number of people ask that very thing, but, unfortunately, I don't have the answer. The receiver on the new 580 is even a little different than the older mini's so who knows? I have managed to get an older mini (184 series) to shoot under 2" with the addition of a "Har-Bar". It stabilizes the barrel to keep it from whipping so drastically. Practically eliminates fliers, acts as a heat sink, and tightens groups. There is something else out there too called an, "Accu-strut". Heard good reviews of those too. These add-ons are pricey, but when you consider what people spend to buy stuff to add to their $1500 AR 15 just to get it to look the way they want so they can be a poser at the range, a few extra bucks to make the mini 14 better in the field is worth it.

There will always be teenaged gun snobs out there that will tell you how the six mini 14's they have owned wouldn't shoot. Bottom line is that it is a decent little gun - especially the new ones - and in Canada with its ridiculous gun laws - they are a viable choice. Hey, who wouldn't own at least one AR if they weren't restricted? and especially if neutered magazines weren't required? Heck, my FN used to be my favorite hunting rifle until idiotic gun control came in.

In all my years of policing, I have never encountered a crime that involved one of the rifles now on the restricted list.
 
saskcop said:
I have one of the new 580 models with the heavier tapered barrel. It easily shoots 2" - even when hot. Handloads go into a tidy inch. Never seen it jam. In Canada it is a good idea. Of course we would all have AR's under the seat of our trucks if it were allowed in Canada, but the fact is - it isn't, so the new Mini is a great little gun. Mine is stainless and sees minimal maintenance, and always works. With a 4x scope I dump every coyote and wild boar I see with it.
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+1

Same here. 2 MOA all day long, no modifications.
 
saskcop said:
AWOL, that is a good question, and I have heard a number of people ask that very thing, but, unfortunately, I don't have the answer. The receiver on the new 580 is even a little different than the older mini's so who knows? I have managed to get an older mini (184 series) to shoot under 2" with the addition of a "Har-Bar". It stabilizes the barrel to keep it from whipping so drastically. Practically eliminates fliers, acts as a heat sink, and tightens groups. There is something else out there too called an, "Accu-strut". Heard good reviews of those too. These add-ons are pricey, but when you consider what people spend to buy stuff to add to their $1500 AR 15 just to get it to look the way they want so they can be a poser at the range, a few extra bucks to make the mini 14 better in the field is worth it.

There will always be teenaged gun snobs out there that will tell you how the six mini 14's they have owned wouldn't shoot. Bottom line is that it is a decent little gun - especially the new ones - and in Canada with its ridiculous gun laws - they are a viable choice. Hey, who wouldn't own at least one AR if they weren't restricted? and especially if neutered magazines weren't required? Heck, my FN used to be my favorite hunting rifle until idiotic gun control came in.

In all my years of policing, I have never encountered a crime that involved one of the rifles now on the restricted list.
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Mine is a 580 so it's likely my "technique" that's failing :rolleyes:

My Remington 700 in 270 make tighter groups for me. I typically place 4 rounds inside 3.5" at 100 yds. I am a highly experienced hack when it come to target shooting. Typically I'm too impatient to be anal about groups so I use store ammo and sometimes even the cheap stuff which I'm sure has its effect.

Thanks for the info
 
AWOL said:
Mine is a 580 so it's likely my "technique" that's failing :rolleyes:

My Remington 700 in 270 make tighter groups for me. I typically place 4 rounds inside 3.5" at 100 yds. I am a highly experienced hack when it come to target shooting. Typically I'm too impatient to be anal about groups so I use store ammo and sometimes even the cheap stuff which I'm sure has its effect.

Thanks for the info
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I hear ya. I just like shootin' 'em!
 
I agree with this being stickied as well. Not only will it stop the same thread being started over and over every month or so, but it will stop the harrassment of newbs by some of the more "mature" members.
 
I got a Mini with a TAPCO Fusion stock and pistol fore grip. Is it in the black club now or do I have to get the new tactical version the the Cold hammer forged barrel and flash hider. Do I get points if I add the bayo lug? I have one.

Shoots 2" all day as well.
 
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